Sympathy strike...would you do it?? - page 4

by notachargenurse

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I belong to a very strong union who is very opinionated. I don't always agree with their stance on things. There is another union who is striking for possible benefit take-aways...I don't know the true details of what is being... Read More


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    Quote from Futterwacken
    First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
    Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
    My exact opinion. To the OP we wok for the same healthcare system. Yes we have an excellent contract till 2014 but you need to see the big picture. They are trying takeaways from other unions which they have never done before so whether you like it or not they will try the same with our union. They already did that to our brothers and sisters in Southern CA. They just crushed the pharmacists down there by eliminating their pension plan and matching contributions to their 401 K; 15 years ago they felt that contributing to the 401K was a bad idea and forced people to the pension system and now don't want to be on the hook for those payments.
    If they succeed with takeaways then come 2014 they will do the same to nurses and we shall have no support on our side; and that's when you will remember how they came for the others and you didn't speak and now its your turn and oops there is no one to speak for you.

    Sympathy Strike....Yes a 24 hour strike is legal as argued and won at the United States Court of Appeal; Ninth Circuit; CNA versus Childrens Hospital- 2002. I don't know how long you have worked in our system but there is nothing to be afraid of. One thing i would tell you is never ever cross the picket line; i have seen some people do it and trust me from that day your co-workers never look at you the same. Get a vacation day or even take a day off. Nurses of America need to stand strong and united or else Wall Street will take over.
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    Quote from caroladybelle
    The difference is with one, you will have poorer working conditions, and less benefits ...your employer is still not going to be able to separate you by race, strip you naked, assault your children, perform brutal medical experiments on you, knock your teeth out tonscavenge the gold, strip you naked, shave off your hair, tattoo a number on you, and gas/stab/behead/shoot you to death.

    You have a choice, work there or leave. In the holocaust there was no such choice.

    The point of Godwin's law is that overwrought people using hyperboly to describe a much less detrimental issue invariably drive away many who might support their cause. I have always supported strikes and refused to work as a strikebreaker. But referencing a wellknown saying clearly referencing mass genocide and comparing it to a possible decrease in benefits.......reflects very poorly on the writer.

    Much like those who scream that requiring discussion of advance directives, is DEATH PANELS, and that hospice is there to give little black pills to kill your loved one, or permitting civil unions will destroy marriage as we know it, it diminishes the poster in our eyes, and pushes us to disregard any of your messages, valid or know.

    And bluntly, there are plenty of great analogies out there that are not over the top, that would be more likely to bring more supporters into your fold.
    The post in question actually made no direct mention of the holocaust. The original writing came out of the author's experience with it, but it was you that went off on the Nazi connection, not the poster. The quotation as a stand-alone statement is still an excellent description of the dynamics of divide and conquer and the dangers of unopposed self-interest.

    There is also much to be said regarding the establishment of hierarchies of oppression ... but that's a discussion for another thread.
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    For that matter, I referenced Godwin's law and the nazi comparison.

    And I continue to believe, that making a reference between management and Nazis is inappropriate. Just as much as when people refer to our presidents as Nazis, for important but far more benign.

    And for many of us, that leads us away from the cause espoused.

    The holocaust is not the primary issue. The overblown comparison of hospital management = Nazis taking people away is.

    Enough OT - I will step out. But with such comparisons being made, I am glad to not be part of a union.
    Last edit by caroladybelle on Sep 2, '11
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    Quote from heron
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    there's no denying the reality and the profound evil of the holocaust. there's also no denying the truth of another cliche: those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    the creation of scapegoats and the abandonment of the "other" to preserve one's own security were two of the root causes of that atrocity ... and no one can tell me that those dynamics aren't at work in the world now.

    the point of the quotation that offended some posters is that, if you are not willing to support another's struggle, don't look for support for yours ... because, depend on it, your time will come.
    the issue of whether or not to strike compares poorly with the devastation of the holocaust. to try to compare the two trivializes the misery and suffering of others. i fear that years from now, younger people are going to view the holocaust as just a blip on the history timeline. it's happening already.

    no matter how bad one's working conditions are, no one is working in a concentration camp.
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    Quote from caroladybelle
    The difference is with one, you will have poorer working conditions, and less benefits ...your employer is still not going to be able to separate you by race, strip you naked, assault your children, perform brutal medical experiments on you, knock your teeth out tonscavenge the gold, strip you naked, shave off your hair, tattoo a number on you, and gas/stab/behead/shoot you to death.

    You have a choice, work there or leave. In the holocaust there was no such choice.

    The point of Godwin's law is that overwrought people using hyperboly to describe a much less detrimental issue invariably drive away many who might support their cause. I have always supported strikes and refused to work as a strikebreaker. But referencing a wellknown saying clearly referencing mass genocide and comparing it to a possible decrease in benefits.......reflects very poorly on the writer.

    Much like those who scream that requiring discussion of advance directives, is DEATH PANELS, and that hospice is there to give little black pills to kill your loved one, or permitting civil unions will destroy marriage as we know it, it diminishes the poster in our eyes, and pushes us to disregard any of your messages, valid or know.

    And bluntly, there are plenty of great analogies out there that are not over the top, that would be more likely to bring more supporters into your fold.
    Excellent summation.
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    Quote from caroladybelle
    For that matter, I referenced Godwin's law and the nazi comparison.

    And I continue to believe, that making a reference between management and Nazis is inappropriate. Just as much as when people refer to our presidents as Nazis, for important but far more benign.

    And for many of us, that leads us away from the cause espoused.

    The holocaust is not the primary issue. The overblown comparison of hospital management = Nazis taking people away is.

    Enough OT - I will step out. But with such comparisons being made, I am glad to not be part of a union.
    Exactly.
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    WOW.

    4 pages of responses.

    Not a single entry related to professionalism, or responsibility to your patients. No consideration of the effect that the strike will have on them, or the colleagues that will be stuck taking care of them.

    This isn't a factory. You can't just shut down the assembly line and walk away, smugly satisfied how you are sticking it to the money grubbing capitalists. Your strike will have a definite effect on your patients, their families, and your reputation in the community. It violates your contract. It will create (or increase) an adversarial relationship, and will hurt you in the long run.

    Is the union representing your interests, or their own?
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    Quote from MrChicagoRN
    WOW.

    4 pages of responses.

    Not a single entry related to professionalism, or responsibility to your patients. No consideration of the effect that the strike will have on them, or the colleagues that will be stuck taking care of them.

    This isn't a factory. You can't just shut down the assembly line and walk away, smugly satisfied how you are sticking it to the money grubbing capitalists. Your strike will have a definite effect on your patients, their families, and your reputation in the community. It violates your contract. It will create (or increase) an adversarial relationship, and will hurt you in the long run.

    Is the union representing your interests, or their own?
    Though I agree that we do not work in factories, I do not agree that there have not been any responses regarding professionalism or responsibility. This thread did get a bit off topic with comments clouding the issue.
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    Brandy, 1017. Are the hospital financialists running your union in disguise? Yuck. That sucks.
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    No I would not, and I believe in unions.

    When we were doing informational picketing, we had other unions and hospitals helping us out by coming to our facility to carry signs, but our union did not expect other facilities to have sympathy strikes and these people came on their day off, or after work.


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