Survey: Would you cross a picket line when RNs were striking? - page 15

This months survey question: Would you cross a picket line when RNs were striking (at your own hospital or another)? Yes or No? FYI: Here are the results from this survey: Q: Would you... Read More

  1. by   prn nurse
    of steel mills and coal mining men, I would never cross a picket line. Not at the hospital, nor at the grocery store, nor anywhere else. And I have done my homework, I have a four year degree and spent two years on my masters' degree researching the "" impact of unions on the upward mobility of women."" I am not about to say that my ancestors' actions were unimportant or trivial. We ALL benefit from the actions of the strikers of the 20's, 30's , 40's, 50's and 60's.
  2. by   mattsmom81
    Excellent post PRN!

    I am amazed at the self defeating attitudes of so many nurses as they refuse to admit their codependency with the field of nursing, keep their heads in the sand, and avoid acknowledging the realities in our profession today.

    I am tired of hearing my coworkers prod ME on to "speak up" about nursing issues in the workplace only to hear zero from them when I speak up in a meeting. So of course I end up looking like "nurse bad attitude"; I've seen this happen to a lot of assertive, bright nurses here in the south, unfortunately.

    Guess I've gotta get my butt out of here and back to a union state like California, Minnesota, New York, etc!! LOL! Unions are the only way nurses will make significant progress in the future, IMHO, and my heart is with those brave folks striking and bargaining for better conditions and better patient care.
  3. by   december
    To the "nurse" from Kentucky that disdains the buttcrack workers of America:

    These are the union-dirt people that are affiliated with the AFL-CIO:

    -Writer's Guild
    -Guild of Musical Artists
    -American Federation of Teachers
    -AirLine Pilots Association
    -Air Traffic Controllers Assoc.
    -American Federation of School Administrators
    -Postal Workers Assoc.
    -Police Unions
    -Newspaper Guild

    And FYI, even Doctors are unionizing.

    http://www.afl-cio.org/
    Take a look around. There is the usual assortment of buttcracks like plumbers that fix your sewer, farmers that grow your food, and textilers that make your clothes.
  4. by   Agnus
    No, by law management is informed in plenty of time. NO NO NO
  5. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by dstout-rn
    I would cross the picket line. I have a few questions for the "nurses" who say the hospital is given a 10 day notice so they can move pts. Where are these pts moved, are they discharged early, most other hospitals can not move whole floors of patients to other hospitals.....then those hospitals would be full, and what about ICU patients, last time I checked vents aren't that easy to move. Your salary problems are more important than this? I traveled to a union hospital, not as a scab just a traveller and if I heard this once I heard it 100 times during my 13 weeks......We don't have to its against contract, time for my break!!!!! Yeah great patient care, WHATEVER!
    I work in an area where there has been a long term on going dispute between nuring and a local hospital. The hospital has been struck several times but they go on TV and state it is "Cheaper (lie) to bring in scabs than to negotiate"
    Every time a strike is announced the other hospsitals go into action (us included) we get ready to accept patients. Those who are well enough are properly discharged to home rehab what ever. The rest are to be split up among several area hospitals. We make the room. Remember this is a temporary situation. We discaharge patients that can be safely.

    As far as ICU and Vent patients. I work with these patients. We transport vent patients all the time it is NOT difficult.

    We are standing by to receive patients every time this happens. Additionally this striking hospital only strikes a few departments at a time. that is maby oncology and neuro and a few others but not say, cardiac, ob peids. What they need is to shut down that hospital. And honest to god walk out not this pussyfooting around.

    It is interesting because from my observations most new hires there have been from out of state, lately. No one local who is not already tied into an individual contract (yea they do this as a requirement for employment and the contract favors the hospital.) will work there. These are mostly contracts for new grads they tell you all the hospitals require it. Yet they are the only ones ( in this area). (their nose is pretty long) The new grad contract is for 2 years. If you break it you must pay them several thousand dollars. No lie. I talked to them when they were recruiting. I know some who have been locked into these contracts and believe me they are not getting any training that is worth that. In fact they are not getting anything you don't get any place else as a new grad.
    I attened the same classes with these folks and no contract and better pay and an excellent patient ratio.
    Last edit by Agnus on Feb 23, '02
  6. by   Sleepyeyes
    Absolutely not
    No Way
    Never
  7. by   dstout-rn
    Originally posted by Agnus


    I work in an area where there has been a long term on going dispute between nuring and a local hospital. The hospital has been struck several times but they go on TV and state it is "Cheaper (lie) to bring in scabs than to negotiate"
    Every time a strike is announced the other hospsitals go into action (us included) we get ready to accept patients. Those who are well enough are properly discharged to home rehab what ever. The rest are to be split up among several area hospitals. We make the room. Remember this is a temporary situation. We discaharge patients that can be safely.

    As far as ICU and Vent patients. I work with these patients. We transport vent patients all the time it is NOT difficult.

    We are standing by to receive patients every time this happens. Additionally this striking hospital only strikes a few departments at a time. that is maby oncology and neuro and a few others but not say, cardiac, ob peids. What they need is to shut down that hospital. And honest to god walk out not this pussyfooting around.

    It is interesting because from my observations most new hires there have been from out of state, lately. No one local who is not already tied into an individual contract (yea they do this as a requirement for employment and the contract favors the hospital.) will work there. These are mostly contracts for new grads they tell you all the hospitals require it. Yet they are the only ones ( in this area). (their nose is pretty long) The new grad contract is for 2 years. If you break it you must pay them several thousand dollars. No lie. I talked to them when they were recruiting. I know some who have been locked into these contracts and believe me they are not getting any training that is worth that. In fact they are not getting anything you don't get any place else as a new grad.
    I attened the same classes with these folks and no contract and better pay and an excellent patient ratio.

    So do you think Unions are good or not????
  8. by   lever5
    Both sides are right. Nurses that are striking are reaching for better care for their patients, better equiptment, better treatment from management. Strikes don't come out of the blue, there are negoatiations that go on for quite a while. And the nurses that cross are also right, they want to ensure the patients care. Strikes are settled, usually with some wins and losses for both sides. How else are conditions going to change? This has gone on long enough. The nurses that participate in strikes are the ones that will win your rights. They are the fighters. And the nurses that cross the picket lines are the ones that will protect you from guilt. I hope that a patient death never happens because a nurse was not available. So, let them strike, and let them cross.
  9. by   Agnus
    dstout-RN
    By the way it is an ENGINEERING UNION!!!
    Frankly I see good and bad in unions. I think that sometimes they are a nessary evil. They have done a lot of good. I would rather not have to see a union in place but sometimes that is what it takes.

    I should clarify something here. The contract that I spoke of is not a union contract. They have yet been able to get a union contract negotiated. The hospital refuses to negotiate. I understand an arbertrator has been receiently brought in though.
    Last edit by Agnus on Feb 24, '02
  10. by   dstout-rn
    Ok you have educated me. I personally would make the choice to cross the line and would not work in a union hospital. I guess it is an individual choice. Bottom line take care of our patients, and hope the strike ends soon. Thanks yall.
  11. by   KatWright
    GREAT note lever5. I totally agree !!! There are always 2 sides to every story. And thank God that the world is full of individuals with different personalities, different characteristics. What a wonderful world we live in !!!!!! We are so incredibly lucky that we are ABLE to unionize or not, cross the line or not, work where we want to and have forums like this that allow us to share our thoughts and hopes and dreams !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Thank-you
    Kat
  12. by   highlander
    Are you people serious???

    You actually want to be unionized. I understand that in the beginning of our industrial age, conditions in the workplace brought on the the birth of unions. Society has had the wool pulled over it's eyes for a long time now. So is a helathcare union the real answer to your problems?

    Let's think about this for a minute, I'll use the auto unions for an example. I guess you can safely say the average cost of a new car these days is around $20K. Why do we have to pay so much now, inflation, increases in material costs?? I just does not make any sense, practically every other mass produced product goes down in price and manufacturing cost after it's been on the market for a few years or so! Take the the computer you are using right now. I paid nearly $3K for my first one seven years ago and you can get a fairly nice one today for about a grand. So the only cost that increased in the automarket, besides advertising cost, is employee wages. Ten years ago it cost GM about $1500.00 in materials to build a Corvette that sold for around $40K.

    Average nurse pay is around $16.00/HR, average auto worker is $25.00/HR, with a HS diploma or a GED. They are making better pay for a job that can be done by a robot or even a monkey! Oh yeah don't forget that the best car to buy is the one that was assembled on a Wednesday, thats the day the auto worker produces the best quality. Monday he's not happy about being at work and Friday he wants to go home!

    Please don't take this the wrong way, but a union is not the answer. We need to wake up America and let them know what's going on in their hospitals. When the general population hears about a "nurse strike" their first reaction is negative and feel that nurses should not strike. Remember the average human is a dumb animal, so we need to educate them! A union is bandaid not the cure. The public is the start of the problem and the insurance companies are at the end! Nurses and Doctors are stuck in the middle. But that is a whole other discussion. There is a lot of waste that starts in the ED and you know what I mean. When some people use it as a clinic rather than for an actual emergency.


    Dang, I almost forgot, if you want another opinion of unions ask Jimmy Hoffa!!!
  13. by   Agnus
    highlander
    I didn't read that from any of these post. Your arguements seem a little fuzzy, to me. I'm sorry but I don't follow them.??

    In most cases this has been brought infront of the public. In fact the nuses I spoke of brought it in front of the state legislator. Their selected depatment strikes is another way to bring it in front of the public.

    I have a husband who is involved in politics and holds a public office. Do you have any idea what it takes to stir the public up enough to get them to do ANYTHING. And do you have any idea what it takes to keep them so they will sustain. Probably not, but this is and always will be human nature. A huge tragedy must happen to them personally and then they only respond for a brief emoational moment.

    Activism is very hard work. And this is what you are talking about.
    You are asking the public join the activism. Selling them is many times harder still. I agree this is what is needed, and what are we all doing to accomplish it???

    It has been said that the nurses in this state faild to get thier bill passed because they lost momentum. Once it was drafted many supporters kicked back and put thier feet up. They did not understand how to lobby effectively.

    The feeling among more knowlegable people was that if they had properly followed through with the same fire they started with it would have passed. (they did have support in the legislator.)

    You see in anything like this there are always the same few people who do all the work. They can't carry it alone. To top it off these nurses were naive and the few who educated themselve beforehand did not educate the rest.
    Last edit by Agnus on Feb 25, '02

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