Survey: Would you cross a picket line when RNs were striking? - page 14

This months survey question: Would you cross a picket line when RNs were striking (at your own hospital or another)? Yes or No? FYI: Here are the results from this survey: Q: Would you... Read More

  1. by   mattsmom81
    Interesting and thought provoking comments from everyone, as usual! I sure do enjoy this BB better than the AOL nurse forum!

    What does everyone think about the point being made that it's better to use our American nurses as scabs than to import them?

    This thought has been on my mind since I heard that George Jr.'s solution to the nursing shortage is to import and train nurses from Mexico. Or wherever. And those nurses will work for little or nothing just to get into the country...

    I guess when I thought about this fact and that American nurses are trying to make things better for American nurses, I would rather the hospital pay through the teeth for American scabs than import foreign ones. Our scabs are at least putting some financial pressure on the hospitals. The American scabs don't want to take our jobs.

    I reread this and maybe it doesn't make much sense..LOL! Just some rambling thoughts this morning! I'll be anxious to read other's opinions on this.
  2. by   Brownms46
    Dear RNPD,

    I don't remember anything about past disagreements, but I'm glad that we have found ageement now..:-) Thanks for taking the time to say those very kind words. :roll
  3. by   dstout-rn
    I would cross the picket line. I have a few questions for the "nurses" who say the hospital is given a 10 day notice so they can move pts. Where are these pts moved, are they discharged early, most other hospitals can not move whole floors of patients to other hospitals.....then those hospitals would be full, and what about ICU patients, last time I checked vents aren't that easy to move. Your salary problems are more important than this? I traveled to a union hospital, not as a scab just a traveller and if I heard this once I heard it 100 times during my 13 weeks......We don't have to its against contract, time for my break!!!!! Yeah great patient care, WHATEVER!
  4. by   live4today
    Forgive me for not knowing what "scabs" are, but would someone please define it for me? Thanks!
  5. by   NurseDennie
    "scabs" are strike-busters. People who cross the picket like to work.

    Love

    Dennie
  6. by   live4today
    Thanks, Nurse Dennie!

    Crossing the picket line is something I would never do, so I will never be known as a "scab".
  7. by   4XNURSE
    Originally posted by fergus51
    and we aren't a bunch of union thugs. Strikebreakers often complain they are portrayed negatively and deserve respect, and it should go the other way too. [/B]

    [ "scabs" are strike-busters. People who cross the picket like
    to work.

    Love

    Dennie]


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    Last edit by 4XNURSE on Feb 21, '02
  8. by   fergus51
    Originally posted by dstout-rn
    I would cross the picket line. I have a few questions for the "nurses" who say the hospital is given a 10 day notice so they can move pts. Where are these pts moved, are they discharged early, most other hospitals can not move whole floors of patients to other hospitals.....then those hospitals would be full, and what about ICU patients, last time I checked vents aren't that easy to move. Your salary problems are more important than this? I traveled to a union hospital, not as a scab just a traveller and if I heard this once I heard it 100 times during my 13 weeks......We don't have to its against contract, time for my break!!!!! Yeah great patient care, WHATEVER!
    Back when we had the right to strike, patients who needed care still got it (emergency cases and such). We don't just walk by trauma patients on the way to getting a doughnut and walking the picket line. And our problems are not just about salary, although that is a part of it and I dont feel ashamed to say that a nurse with 20 years experience is worth more than 18$ an hour. Why do you think we lose so many nurses to the US every year?

    I would ask what the nurses didn't want to do that is against contract? Personally, I will not do a lot of things that are against contract (like cleaning floors and fridges) and I either take my breaks or get paid for them because I can't stand nurses who do then ***** that they are burned out or don't have enough time to care for patients and administration that uses nurses like this to decrease staffing levels. I have never seen a nurse refuse anything that is a part of patient care. Why do you judge all union facilities based on the one that you were? Come up here and you'll see that we aren't a bunch of lazy left wing radicals.
  9. by   KatWright
    Why DON"T you judge union facilities based on your experiences?
    I work in a great place that is NOT union but I have worked in a union facility and I witnessed more than a dozen times, nurses that were on break and wouldn't see to their patients' needs (and I don't mean a glass of water) and I have also seen poor quality nurses that were protected by the union. Who protected the patients?

    How many of you are going back to school to make things better?

    There are other ways of promoting the advance of nurses than JUST unions. Get involved with your state and local nurses associations, write to your senators, and other representatives, let them know what is going on. Just the facts, keep it to one page......they don't have time to read pages and page.

    The non-union and union nurses DO want the same things. They just go about it in a different way.

    The main thing is that we need to respect each other. PERIOD.
    Kat
  10. by   fergus51
    Kat, I just mean judging all union facilities based on ONE is a little silly. I have worked in 2 non-union sweatshops...oops, I mean hospitals... and I don't judge all non-uinion places based on them. A crappy hospital is a crappy hospital, union or non-union. Period.

    And unions are not meant to protect crappy nurses. Nurses can be fired for cause just like in any other place. If administrators don't do it, it is THEIR fault. I don't work with any lazy nurses and we're all union.
  11. by   KatWright
    Fergus, I agree that you cannot judge all facilities based on one experience. On the other hand, you cannot fault nurses who "cross the line" for whatever reason based on a few money hungry scabs. Whenever I make a decision, I weigh all of the pro's and con's, and I give others the benefit of the doubt.
    I have only walked in MY shoes and believe me, at times, even I didn't like being in them. So I know that there are shoes out there that I would not want to be in.
    As shi**y as things were, I know it could have been worse.
    Do you understand what I mean?
    Kat
  12. by   dstout-rn
    When I think "UNION" is see factory workers with cardboard signs. Barely high school graduates demanding they make more money and get more breaks. I do not see college graduates in a profession. Lets see do CPA's, lawyers, doctors, engineers or any other PROFESSION with a college degree with a union???? NO! its auto workers and plumbers with their butt crack showing. Give me a break. I have been a nurse for only two years and can not wait to finish my Masters and get the heck out of the hospital. I love caring for my babies in the NICU and I will miss them but you can bet I will NOT miss the politics.
  13. by   fergus51
    I completely understand what you are saying Kat.

    dstout- doctors here are not unionized, but they do work and bargain in a collective unit. They also don't strike, they "withdraw their services".... A rose by any other name....

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