Survey: Would you cross a picket line when RNs were striking? - page 10
This months survey question: Would you cross a picket line when RNs were striking (at your own hospital or another)? Yes or No? FYI: Here are the results from this survey: Q: Would you... Read More
Nov 15, '01Kat, sorry you obviously feel negative vibes from the others here. Very much of what they are saying is true, and I am sure that had you more time to reflect on the problem, you also would have avoided going across a Picket Line. Try to remember this, there are always alternatives, sometimes obvious, and sometimes NOT so obvious, and sometimes we feel we don't have time to look for those obscure solutions. I do understand more than you know, about hardtimes and having one's back to the wall. Desperation often leads us to obvious solutions. When this occurs in my life, I try very hard to step back a few paces, and look one more time for the not so obvious answer, because through experience, and my faith in Jesus, I know it is there, waiting for me to find it. As I stated in my previous response, I hold no animosity, about our differing opinions, and indeed I love you, as a fellow professional. We are all in this together, and as many others have stated so well, "United we Stand"
P.S. I wish I could go back in time and correct all my mistakes
P.P.S. We would not even be having these discussions if Hospital Administration would be Fair with us and treat us as the valuable assets we are. That is who my fight is with, not with my fellow professionals
Nov 15, '01KatWright
Well, I certainly feel the love.........
All I can say is walk a mile in my moccasins.........
I did the best that I could at the time.
No you did the easiest that you could at the time. You could have taken a per diem or agency job at another hospital where the nurses weren't on strike. You could have paid your mortgage & fed your family-just like thousands of other nurses have done when they were forced by greedy admins to strike. Sure, it may not have been as convenient-may have meant a longer commute, difficulty parking, less desireable schedule, less familiar workplace-but you wouldn't have scabbed and lost the respect of your profession. Because the PROFESSION of nursing is against scabbing-it is only greedy indivduals who are in it for the money that believe it is OK.
How do I know all this? Because I spent months on strike, dealing with the exact same financial & comfort/convenience issues. I chose not to cross the line, but still managed to pay my bills and my family didn't starve. I have my self respect, as well as the knowledge that I tried as hard as I could to better conditions for my patients and my family.
You chose the easy way-hopefully someday, you will see that no one respects a scab.
Nov 15, '01I am sorry that I responded to this.
I was presenting another side of an extremely difficult situation, and there is more to MY story that I am not willing to display on this board. I put my children first, and for that I will NEVER be sorry, NEVER appologize.
The strike was nearly 20 years ago, 3 weeks out of my 28++ years as an RN.
I am well respected by my peers, I am published and VERY successful.
I am thankful that I know a VARIETY of people, how dull it would be if we were all alike.
I am also thankful that I don't work in a unionized hospital, been there, done that, don't need to do that again.
Nov 15, '01Kat- At this point, I doubt seriously that you will even read
this However, if you should happen to, remember
divisiveness is not the answer to this controversy in my
opinion. The answer is in cohesiveness. Not "Alikeness" but
"Cohesiveness" they are two distinct and different
processes. ie; we don't all need to be Alike
in order to be Cohesive do we? Another example is,
"The good of the many vs. The good of the one"
I don't know exactly how you accomplish it, but your
last post came off as very aloof. I believe you and I are not
so different, just chose different paths to the same end,
doing what we felt was right for ourselves, using different
vehicles to accomplish our short and long term goals. I also feel
my compatriots, there in New York, where I was Originally
Licensed, have been unduly harsh in their assessments of
your decision to "Cross" in the context you gave.
I too have 28++ years in Nursing, Graduated in 1973,
and you picked my interest, "I am published, and very
successful" Are there articles, a book, or other forms
that I may read, from you? If you would like to contact me,
please feel free to PM me anytime, and I will respond as
time allows I will try to PM you but I doubt your PM
is available Again, I only wish to communicate, not to
Nov 15, '01I should add that I in no way meant that anyone was a bad nurse or a bad person if they DID cross a picket line. Of course I can envision a time when I might have to do the same, but I must say that for me it would be the absolute last option.
Regardless of what nurses on the picket line may have said I doubt they applaud anyone that crosses it for whatever reason. We can all understand why they might be angry, and everyone needs to do what they think is best.
What really grills my waffles though is those that look for the opportunity to step in and suck money out of a troublesome situation at the expense of their colleagues. I don't see (yet) any justifiable reason or defense for it.
Same as theft, in my book.
Nov 15, '01Jay Levan
Another example is,
"The good of the many vs. The good of the one"
Notice I am not the one becoming defensive about MY choice. Striking is a last resort, but there are those who chose their own good over the good of the patient & the profession. There is no justification for this. There are other opportunities-I know this because I looked into them when I realized a strike was inevitable. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do, but i am proud of the stand we took and what we accomplished with that strike. Yes, financially, I lost-but I gained so much more during that time. I would prefer not to need a union-but since that has proven impractical, I am a proud union supporter. I will continue to be an advocate for patients and nurses everywhere as long as I continue in this profession. When i can no longer put the good of the many before my own-I will quit because without my self-respect I am nothing.
Nov 15, '01I would not cross a picket line, and I am an agency nurse. Conversely, I would not walk a picket line.
Nov 16, '01I was in a union as a nurse and I found it was a terrible situation. I found it protected the dirt bags and kept the hardworkers from rising thru the ranks quickly.
We had several paramedics who were assigned to the ER but could not be on their feet for long periods and could not climb 2 flights of stairs for rescues because they were sooo fat that their weight hurt their knees and feet. Couldn't get rid of them because the union said we were discriminating against them because of their weight.
I recieved several cash awards for hard work and dedication but other nurses filed complaints because they didn't. Then you can't say "The reason you didn't get one is because your lazy" or thats a complaint.
It strikes me as funny that nurses go on strike for better conditions and MORE money. A nurse who crosses the a picket does so for more money but is called a scab. One nurse won't work for the money their paying but gets mad at another who does so for the money they are paying.
If you go on strike then you made a choice and its yours to make. Other nurses owe you nothing. I am no friend of administration nor a friend of the union. I always say to people who think I owe them something that "we're not buddies, we're not pals, and we're not friends." I owe you nothing.
Just my opinion
Nov 16, '01Most people are on the world, not in it--having no conscious sympathy or relationship to anything about them--undiffused, separate, and rigidly alone like marbles of polished stone, touching but separate.
-- --John Muir
Do you 'Feel' nursing is for you?
Nov 16, '01Dave,
Do you really see no difference in striking for a decent wage in an attempt to retain nurses (among other reasons for striking like that pesky little issue of patient safety) as being no different from wanting to make 4200$ in a week by screwing someone else? I understand that some people make that decision and I can deal with that just fine, but I see a difference in the two.
As an aside, our MPs (gov't representatives) got a HUGE raise because the Premier claims that in order to attract quality people to the profession of politics they needed to be fairly compensated and these are people who make in the six figures for less than six months of actual work. Of course, when nurses wanted to make more than 18$ an hour (for the highest paid nurses) we were just being selfish.
Nov 16, '01I always say to people who think I owe them something that "we're not buddies, we're not pals, and we're not friends." I owe you nothing.
Just my opinion
I certainly can't improve on John Muir-but I must try in my own way to express my disgust at your post.
If that's how you feel about your peers and your profession, I would hate to be your enemy. Hell, I would hate to be your FRIEND!
You sound like a small, selfish person who is out for #1. I feel sorry for you & the twisted way you think.
Nov 16, '01If you go on strike then you made a choice and its yours to make. Other nurses owe you nothing. I am no friend of administration nor a friend of the union. I always say to people who think I owe them something that "we're not buddies, we're not pals, and we're not friends." I owe you nothing.
Just my opinion
My response was for your indifference to your colleagues. Today, more than ever 'we,us' not 'i,me', has too be our central theme if we're to get the respect and concerns addressed. You have the undeniable right to speak your mind but, shouldn't we be mindful of what we spoke?
I hadn't anyone whom Hated me until now. I apologize if it offended you as it's evident that it struck a nerve.
Nov 16, '01betts-I'm not sure I inderstand your post. Who do you think hates you & why are you apologizing? I found your use of the John Muir quote to perfectly express my feeling toward what dave wrote. I agree, it shouldn't be I/me but we/us. It is the profession of nursing that each of us as individuals need to promote. We can't do that if some members have an attitude like Dave's.