striking nurses - page 3

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my 2 yo daughter was severely "damaged" because of a nursing strike. We were 2 weeks post op from open heart surgery. She went downhill fast one day. At hospital, we crossed the line to get her cared for. We ended up in ped.... Read More


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    Quote from RN4MERCY
    Unions work! If you're not at the table, you don't have a say. Getting involved, in a democratic all RN union makes our profession stronger and protects our ability to advocate for patient safety. Nurses can obtain dignity, equity and power to change terrible working conditions that create unsafe care environments and drive nurses from the profession such as long hours, disparate pay, and health risks. Through out history, the government did little to limit these injustices, and in the United States, along with much of the industrialized world, labor movements developed that lobbied for better rights and safer conditions.

    The majority of our contract fights are settled without strikes. The CEOs and executives of your hospitals have contracts, so why shouldn't the nurses? Nurses have a duty to act to change circumstances that are against the interests of their patients. If nurses are on the outside, there's something wrong on the inside. The public has a right to know. Check out some nursing history. Since the inception of the profession in the United States, nurses like Lillian Wald and Lavinia Dock walked picket lines to advocate for worker safety, child labor laws, women's suffrage, and immigrant rights.

    Lavinia Dock advocated for nurses to join unions so that nurses wouldn't be accomplices in their own subordination to the male dominated heirarchy in hospitals.

    1 Unions are not Democratic in nature by any definition that I am aware of. And I, myself am a very very far left Democrat.

    2 Whether at a table or not I always have a say.

    3 Injustices, better nursing, better hospital care, all had little to do with union effort. But more as a result of consumer satisfaction and attracting and expanding new clientele, thats just good business.

    4 As a woman, I have never, That is Never, been subject to the subordination of a male dominated hierarchy.
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    Quote from Iam46yearsold
    1 Unions are not Democratic in nature by any definition that I am aware of. And I, myself am a very very far left Democrat.
    They are as Democratic as America is... ROFL

    2 Whether at a table or not I always have a say.
    In a business the only say you really have is take it or leave it. Not much of a say...

    3 Injustices, better nursing, better hospital care, all had little to do with union effort. But more as a result of consumer satisfaction and attracting and expanding new clientele, thats just good business.
    Instead of repeating anti-union talking points you should actually read up on your history. EVERY benefit you have is a direct result of the labor movement.


    4 As a woman, I have never, That is Never, been subject to the subordination of a male dominated hierarchy.
    Your entire life has been subjected to a male dominated hierarchy. The U.S. Government is still a male dominated hierarchy. No need to start being hypocritical about it now. In fact, pretty much everything is male dominated. Is it right? No, but that is the way it is. Change it or accept it but don't let that be a lame excuse for anti-union, anti-labor, anti-worker sentiments that you may hold...
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    Do staff nurses control staffing?
    If not, why not?

    Direct care RNs bear the responsibility for nursing care in hospitals. How is it possible to be responsible without the authority to change conditions that are against the interests of our patients?

    Do you ever have to float to a unit where you have not been oriented?
    WHY?
    Even worse do you have care for a patient without the necessary competency?
    Why float a med-surg nurse to telemetry without ACLS?
    A pediatric nurse to an adult unit?
    A cardiac nurse to orthopedics?

    I wouldn't go to a cardiologist for a hip problem. Or take my child to a gerentologist.
    Why put up with unsafe floating?

    Even if one nurse is successful in refusing unsafe assignments if another is forced to accept it the patients are still at risk.

    http://www.calnurses.org/assets/pdf/nnoc_101.pdf
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    here is how nurses worked to stop child labor, improve extremely unsafe working conditions, and eventually won the vote. without the vote women were subordinate to men. taxed without representation.
    lavinia lloyd dock rn, (1858-1956)

    building upon her basic nursing training, lavinia lloyd dock became a pioneer in nursing literature and a social activist fighting for equality on many levels - for women, for workers, and for access to health care.

    after graduating from new york's bellevue training school for nurses in 1886, dock worked as a clinical nurse and manager and became assistant superintendent at johns hopkins university school of nursing in baltimore.

    in 1896, dock began a 20-year tenure at the henry street settle-ment, improving access to health care for the impoverished inhabitants of new york's lower east side.

    to advance nursing education, she authored one of the first nursing textbooks, materia medica for nurses, and worked as an editor for the american journal of nursing.
    as a political activist, dock planned and participated in many major women's suffrage events.

    in 1917, she led suffragette demonstrators from the national women's party headquarters in washington, d.c., to the white house.
    despite being arrested multiple times for her political activism, dock remained a committed and outspoken advocate of social equality, nursing education, and health care access.
    http://include.nurse.com/apps/pbcs.d...=2006605010311
    lavinia dock rn & lillian wald rn, founder of public health nursing protesting child labor and unsafe conditions in new york
    lavinia dock arrested for advocating that women be considered citizens with the right to vote
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    Although I can understand where the OP is coming from and also sympathize with the OP, management had it within their power to have helped and made a decision not to. Management should have rolled up their sleeves and been doing floor work along with those that were staffing the strike. This is what you will see in all other professions, except in nursing.

    It is probably that kind of management disinterest in both patients and staff that led to the strike in the first place.
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    Quote from herring_RN
    Here is how nurses worked to stop child labor, improve extremely unsafe working conditions, and eventually won the vote. Without the vote women were subordinate to men. Taxed without representation.

    Lavinia Dock RN & Lillian Wald RN, founder of Public health Nursing protesting child labor and unsafe conditions in New York
    Lavinia Dock arrested for advocating that women be considered citizens with the right to vote
    All nurses should be proud of and continue to emulate these historical, professional role models in nursing. We need to honor those nurses by being leaders and active participants in social justice and political advocacy movements.

    I like to think that their living spirit is with us in the fight to expand our universal health care system to this country. Health care should be provided as a public service, an entitlement, a basic right! RNs have a duty to change circumstances that are against the interests of patients. Our current, shameful for profit/insurance-manipulated health care delivery system is a deadly failure. That's why we must take it to the streets and demand passage of HR 676; it would expand MediCare, our existing single payer system, to include everyone.

    Everybody in, nobody out. :redpinkhe
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    In a business the only say you really have is take it or leave it. Not much of a say...

    I always have a say, and yes people do listen

    Instead of repeating anti-union talking points you should actually read up on your history. EVERY benefit you have is a direct result of the labor movement.

    That is so wrong, or are you talking the prounion rhetorical history book.



    Your entire life has been subjected to a male dominated hierarchy. The U.S. Government is still a male dominated hierarchy. No need to start being hypocritical about it now. In fact, pretty much everything is male dominated. Is it right? No, but that is the way it is. Change it or accept it but don't let that be a lame excuse for anti-union, anti-labor, anti-worker sentiments that you may hold...[/quote]

    Trust me, I am not dominated by a male hierarchy. Nor is Hillary or Nancy. And Im not even at their level. But they know that Unions are just pawns to help get them elected
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    Quote from Iam46yearsold
    I always have a say, and yes people do listen
    If and when the business you work for decides on a course of action, whether or not the 'owner' is your friend or listens to you, it will proceed with that course of action. If they decide they don't need you then you will be gone... Still not much of a choice. Just because they value your opinion or listen to you does not mean they have to or always will. IT also means nothing to other employees that may not enjoy such benefits.


    That is so wrong, or are you talking the prounion rhetorical history book.
    Take a history class... Better yet, name ONE employee benefit that didn't spring from the labor movement. Just one... I won't hold my breath.

    Trust me, I am not dominated by a male hierarchy. Nor is Hillary or Nancy. And Im not even at their level. But they know that Unions are just pawns to help get them elected
    Indeed, the US must have become matriarchal overnight. In fact there are no surviving matriarchal societies at this moment in time. You do live under a patriarchal system. You can say No, No, No, all you want but it changes nothing...

    Sure, things are changing for the better but they haven't changed...
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    You keep talking history. Unions have really lost the largest amount of their influence 50 years ago. Back when they were all allied with criminal organizations. Is that the history you keep referring to. But I can not find any significant changes by unions in reference to nursing, that are not actually directly attributed to sociopolitical consumer based demands.
    Of course I haven't read the Union sponsored history books. Or the union sponsored studies either.
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    Quote from Iam46yearsold
    But I can not find any significant changes by unions in reference to nursing, that are not actually directly attributed to sociopolitical consumer based demands.

    Lack of research has no relation to lack of evidence of the viability of unions. The poor results by union leaders in no way means that unions are still not useful.

    Because of unions, nurses have a living wage. There was a time when nurses made less than receptionists. There was a time when nurses where always on call and had to work when the hospital said so.

    The problem with anti-union people, as compared to people that just aren't in unions, is that they conveniently forget that everything we have is due to the labor movement.

    40 hour work week? Unions. Vacation and Sick time? Unions. OSHA and having safety equipment? Unions. I could go on ad nauseum.

    Multiple studies done by nurses show that unionized hospitals deliver better care and have higher employment satisfaction.

    You can say whatever you like. In the final analysis unions benefit worker more than not.

    Sure, they were affiliated with criminals. Our president is a criminal... So what. There was a time where employers charged you to use the equipment they owned. They paid you so little that at the end of the week you were paying to work, Then if you felt like striking or organizing they called in private security to beat up AND kill workers that were unsatisfied with their working conditions.


    Instead of trying to use sarcasm to prove your point, instead show us ONE thing that came about that benefitted workers THAT did NOT result from organized labor. Just one. Put your money where your mouth is and show us ONE...

    It's easy to talk. Give us some proof.

    Just a little...
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