Nursing Unions - page 4

I am looking for information regarding nursing unions... the advantages, disadvantages, how they work, etc. I am in my last semester of a BSN program and this info will help me to prepare for a... Read More

  1. by   HM2VikingRN
    Plus if you look at educational and health statistics the unionized states have uniformly better results......
  2. by   PICUPNP
    It's not that hard to find current evidence that favors the Right To Work laws and is against FORCED UNIONISM


    http://www.nilrr.org/files/Tax-Payin...0corrected.pdf

    http://www.nilrr.org/files/Negative%...%20revised.pdf

    http://www.nilrr.org/files/Big%20Lab...s%20Update.pdf
  3. by   nicurn001
    There you go again , with your forced unionism , putting it in upper case doesn't make it so . Since when has it been that Democracy counts for nothing ?.
    An attempt at organizing is made at a facility , Nurses at the facility , if they show enough support will have a democratic election , the result once certified by the NLRB takes effect .
    Do you not like the democratic process , or do you not trust your fellow nurses to be able to participate in an election ?.
    Your forced unionism argument is spurious , it is an anti democracy argument pure and simple .
  4. by   Jerry 75
    testimony presented to the national commission on va nursing



    as a union official, nurses often share concerns with me that they would not discuss with their manager. in today's work environment unions are essential to protecting the rights of employees and to providing an open democratic forum for issues to be addressed. the union is not an adversary to management; the goal of the union is to safeguard public interest, and to amicably resolve disputes. management is accountable not only to its employees but to other influences that impact their decisions. therefore, it is imperative to afford union officials the opportunity to appoint nursing staff to committees so that the focus is not one sided.

    quoted from article by shashi bhandari-gadson
    http://www.afge.org/index.cfm?page=v...file=la_sb.htm




    here is at least 1 idea of local san diego wage scale for np (union job)



    nurse practitioner ii
    university of california, san diego
    payroll title: nurse practitioner ii. full salary range: $7,395 - $10,149 /month.

    ucsd layoff from career appointment or special selection: apply by 01/04/10 to be considered with preference for rehire.
    - eligible acces clients should contact their ucsd vocational rehabilitation counselor to discuss special selection.
    - layoff applicants must leave a message at (858) 534-6333 or call your assigned sr. employment advisor to exercise your preferential rehire status.

    this position is union
    represented by nx - nursing. for more information go to http://blink.ucsd.edu/go/cbu
  5. by   PICUPNP
    Not impressed. The article is just more union drivel.
  6. by   Jerry 75
    In response to PICUPNP comment about a pay scale of a Union job in San Diego.

    Whether or not you are impressed with some data I presented to you that is very relevant to this conversation re Unions and also to your specialty, is of no concern to me.

    I am not here to impress you!
  7. by   PICUPNP
    In other words, the union wage noted wasn't that impressive as compared to what I make as well as the cost of living factor. It doesn't seem that the union has increased the wage of a PNP enough to make it a viable option considering all of the other stuff that one would have to put up with when joining a union.
  8. by   HM2VikingRN
    Wages are like real estate. Its location, location, location.....That said on average there is a very real premium for union members vs. non members.

    This translates societally on a more important level to better educational and health care systems for members of society. Compare any RTW state with a non RTW state on outcome measures such as life expectancy and HS graduation rates. The non-RTW states do not come off well in these comparisons.
  9. by   PICUPNP
    You have got to be kidding me! Now the unions are responsible for how well my children are educated and my life expectancy...WOW!! I'm sure that with a little research I can show you a study that shows how unions are less than needed in this country.

    http://www.nilrr.org/files/Tax-Payin...0corrected.pdf
  10. by   Onekidneynurse
    Quote from Mike SIE
    I support Unions and they support membership/Nurses. Whether or not you like them is irrelevant to me. I have benefited from their association with Nursing and Bucks, Bennies and over all work conditions as well as relationships with management/Nurse has become less oppositional/confrontational and much more civil.

    For the few in this forum who have not had similar experiences and who by no means constitute a majority there are just as many RN's who have had excellent experiences with Unions. The benefits brought by the Union far out weights the cost of Dues.

    I had been a Union rep for a few yers and represented quite a few Nurses who were getting screwed by administration and helped to get them fair and just treatment as per hospital/union policy which Admin was not compliant with.

    CWA/UNAC Keep up the great work you do!

    Ignore the scabs, and administration brown noses, happy la de da Nurses who see nothing wrong with the way they are abused by administration, who would rather suck up to administration then fight for their rights!
    Unions aren't a majority in nursing either. 150,000 of 3,000,000 is hardly a majority.

    So you're patients don't poop or vomit correct. Families don't complain about you? Correct. And you have no openings at your hospital? Correct. If a nurse refused to have you go in with her/him to the supervisior would you honor that request.

    Do you know where your dues go? Do you know they might go to canidates or issues you might not agree with? Do you know what the higher ups on your union make? Do you know what the middle management make in your union.

    If unions are so great why are they being decertified? In California even.
  11. by   Onekidneynurse
    Quote from HM2VikingRN
    Wages are like real estate. Its location, location, location.....That said on average there is a very real premium for union members vs. non members.

    This translates societally on a more important level to better educational and health care systems for members of society. Compare any RTW state with a non RTW state on outcome measures such as life expectancy and HS graduation rates. The non-RTW states do not come off well in these comparisons.

    Don't you have some nonsense graph to support those figures?

    There are 22 RTW states. Are you saying that only 28 states in the union have better educational and healthcare systems?

    Wanna talk about Detroit. It was heavily unionized. What happened?
  12. by   GCTMT
    Quote from Onekidneynurse
    Don't you have some nonsense graph to support those figures?

    There are 22 RTW states. Are you saying that only 28 states in the union have better educational and healthcare systems?

    Wanna talk about Detroit. It was heavily unionized. What happened?
    In regards to your comments about Detroit; our manufacturing base was shipped to China and other parts of the world that don't provide decent working conditions for their citizens, and thus the bargaining power of unions in the US is useless.
  13. by   Emergency RN
    Quote from gctmt
    in regards to your comments about detroit; our manufacturing base was shipped to china and other parts of the world that don't provide decent working conditions for their citizens, and thus the bargaining power of unions in the us is useless.
    right, lol... next we'll be transporting our icu patients to china or india where nurses & doctors make one tenth of us salaries (or something ridiculous like that).

    seriously, unions are nothing more than a collective voice that speaks loudly for a class of similar interests. the only people or organizations that ever have problems with unions are those that don't want to listen to that collective voice. there is always strength in numbers, and even hospitals know this. they form their own unions but call them associations. hospital associations present a collective face to the public; they determine what prices they are willing to pay for supplies; whose political campaign gets contributed to; et cetera. in other words, they collective bargain with society through an allied front because they all have similar interests and needs. in this regard, they are very pro collective bargaining because it aids their own operations. they're just not willing to allow those that they have to deal with, the same collective voice advantage.

    support your nursing unions!

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