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  1. Dec 29, '09 by
    Some of my stance is about $$$$. It's those dollars that we work so hard to earn and support ourselves. Conversely, I don't know any nurses making the $200K/yr like your united union leader. The other part of my stance revolves directly around forcing nurses to pay dues. It's ridiculous. Especially dues that contribute to someone making exponentially more money than those who are paying them. I know that you all like to hide behind the "democratic process" as a way to explain the closed shop issue, but it is forced unionism regardless of what is said on this forum. I, for one, am glad that there are organizations out there making it hard for you to spread your union nationwide.
  2. Dec 29, '09 by
    Quote from picupnp
    some of my stance is about $$$$. it's those dollars that we work so hard to earn and support ourselves.$$$$'s conversely, i don't know any nurses making the $200k/yr like your united union leader. the other part of my stance revolves directly around forcing nurses to pay dues. it's ridiculous. especially dues that contribute to someone making exponentially more money than those who are paying them$$$$'s. i know that you all like to hide behind the "democratic process" as a way to explain the closed shop issue not hiding simply stating facts re.election process and your obligations , if you believe in democracy , to accept the certified result , but it is forced unionism regardless of what is said on this forum yada yada yada. i, for one, am glad that there are organizations out there making it hard for you to spread your union nationwide.
    actually i am ok with there being the organizations out there , you describe in your last sentence , as they are a sign of a vibrant democracy , and if the union side wins a particular election , in which they have helped the anti vote , it makes the victory sweeter !

    your argument simply rests , on how your pocketbook would be effected and a contempt for democracy .
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  3. Dec 30, '09 by
    My argument rests in the fact that unionization shouldn't be forced on RNs. I'm a firm believer in Democracy but not the way unions use it to hide behind.
  4. Dec 30, '09 by
    Quote from PICUPNP
    My argument rests in the fact that unionization shouldn't be forced on RNs. I'm a firm believer in Democracy but not the way unions use it to hide behind.
    When you say you believe in democracy, then what exactly do you mean? When a group of nurses votes by majority to unionize, when they elect by majority representatives who negotiate a union shop contract, when they ratify by majority a contract that requires union membership, the minority who want otherwise must bow to the will of the majority. That is the very essence of what democracy is. One who truly believes in democracy, still believes in it even when they don't like the result. I accept the results of the process in government, even when it elects people I don't like and forces me to pay taxes for things in which I don't believe. If I think the process is unfair, I have options to work with others to try to reform the process, but I can't just ignore the result. People who accept democracy only when the result pleases them aren't really believers in democracy.
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  5. Dec 30, '09 by
    I wonder what this will mean for NC nurses like me. NC HATES unions.
  6. Dec 30, '09 by
    Quote from PICUPNP
    My argument rests in the fact that unionization shouldn't be forced on RNs. I'm a firm believer in Democracy but not the way unions use it to hide behind.
    Chico David RN has put the response eloquently in post #143 .

    Where is the forced unionization ( ie.specifically , AGAINST the nursing electorates will at a facility) you talk of ?.
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  7. Dec 30, '09 by
    There's a lot to swallow with this comment, isn't there? One sentence and three non sequiturs--a record. Nobody is trying to destroy all corporations, only to balance all the power that they exert over us individuals. A middle class only exists when the cost of labor is well valued. that is why we seek strength in numbers through unions... a most democratic of systems. At the end of the day it is the only way that we maintain our standard of living. One only needs to compare standards through world history to see that throwing ourselves at the mercy and good will of the mythical free-market doesn't work out too well for those of us who work for a living. Enjoy a 40hr. work-week, overtime, holidays, child labor laws, workman's comp, and retirement funds? Thank the people who democratized the work place.
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  8. Dec 30, '09 by
    Quote from Eclectic1
    There's a lot to swallow with this comment, isn't there? One sentence and three non sequiturs--a record. Nobody is trying to destroy all corporations, only to balance all the power that they exert over us individuals. A middle class only exists when the cost of labor is well valued. that is why we seek strength in numbers through unions... a most democratic of systems. At the end of the day it is the only way that we maintain our standard of living. One only needs to compare standards through world history to see that throwing ourselves at the mercy and good will of the mythical free-market doesn't work out too well for those of us who work for a living. Enjoy a 40hr. work-week, overtime, holidays, child labor laws, workman's comp, and retirement funds? Thank the people who democratized the work place.
    Nice to see the rare American who knows some history.
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  9. Dec 30, '09 by
    Quote from paacollins
    I wonder what this will mean for NC nurses like me. NC HATES unions.
    Oh, I suspect that North Carolina will not be on the top of the list of places to organize. But even in the conservative, southern, "right to work for less" states, there will be islands that will organize first and then it will build out from there. Prediction: among the so-called "sunbelt" states, Florida, Arizona, Texas and Nevada will be the centers of action in the next few years, then once solid bases are built there, organizing activity will fan out from there. People have had so much anti-union propaganda fed to them for the last 50 years, that they usually need to see some examples of unions at work close up before they get the reality. That's why there is so much activity in Nevada right now. The nurses there can see the example of California nearby and see what organizing has meant to California nurses.
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    Dec 30, '09 by
    Quote from Mike SIE
    Above all when ever called in to yoiur supervisor ask if this meeting will involve any disciplinary action. If he says it will cancel the meeting untill you can have a union repo go in with you..
    absolutely....
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