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No. 150
from Nancy2
Old Sep 15, 2009, 05:34 PM

Default Re: INCREDIBLE CNA/NNOC victory in Houston.
I didn't get burned. I just see no value, only increassed difficulty in getting anything done. I am opposed to spending money for things I already own. I have a voice and can use it quite effectively. The union guarentees NOTHING except that it will collect my dues and spend them any way they see fit without my input. I do not agree with many of the things dues money are spent on. Especially with CNA. They just recently paid HCA RNs from all over the country to attend a 3 day workshop. All expenses paid to go to San Francisco. Private hotel rooms, lavish meals. A friend of mine went ans said "we feasted!!" I don't want to pay for other prople's vacations when I barely get my own every other year.
Its much deeper than having been burned once...
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No. 151
from forrester
Old Sep 16, 2009, 08:34 AM

Default Re: INCREDIBLE CNA/NNOC victory in Houston.
Originally Posted by Nancy2 View Post
I didn't get burned. I just see no value, only increassed difficulty in getting anything done. I am opposed to spending money for things I already own. I have a voice and can use it quite effectively. The union guarentees NOTHING except that it will collect my dues and spend them any way they see fit without my input. I do not agree with many of the things dues money are spent on. Especially with CNA. They just recently paid HCA RNs from all over the country to attend a 3 day workshop. All expenses paid to go to San Francisco. Private hotel rooms, lavish meals. A friend of mine went ans said "we feasted!!" I don't want to pay for other prople's vacations when I barely get my own every other year.
Its much deeper than having been burned once...
Too bad more nurses are not so self empowered as you seem to be. I am somewhat confused by what you mean when you say "increased difficulty in getting anything done". What is it you wanted to get done that the union prevented you from doing?
I understand the money thing, but many of us pay for things "collectively".
I don't know about the HCA thing, but if it results in a national HCA union, I support it because I have many friends who work in HCA facilities who tell me their ability to "discuss" anything with management is darn near impossible...and the ratios are horrible, as is the pay.
It sounds easy to say if you don't like things, then leave. Unfortunately, many of us are not so lucky.
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No. 152
from nicurn001
Old Sep 16, 2009, 09:16 AM

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I think why some people have the attitude displayed by Nancy2 is that they are one of the chosen few , who get what they want , at the cost of everyone else and they know they will not be able to wheel and deal so easily in the future , so rather than lose the little individual power they have , they work against others achieving collective bargaining.
On a corporate level , I cannot understand how these individual nurses think they can bring about systemic change to the corporation , even they have to work collectively ,to gain evidence for any change proposed and have any hope of having that change implemented .
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No. 153
from K98
Old Sep 16, 2009, 11:50 AM

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I hope that the CNA/NNOC is more effective than some other unions representing RNs around the country. The facility where I work is unionized. We are no better off financially than other RNs in the city, in fact, our pay lags behind some of the non-union facilities. We are supposed to have some advantages in the work rules area, but our union is weak and ineffective. Basically, the hospital agrees to things in the contract, violates them, and the union does nothing. Oh, they do collect 70.00 per month. You are not permitted to opt out of membership (most of the RNs would). If you opt out of the union. you must leave your job.
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No. 154
from forrester
Old Sep 17, 2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by K98 View Post
I hope that the CNA/NNOC is more effective than some other unions representing RNs around the country. The facility where I work is unionized. We are no better off financially than other RNs in the city, in fact, our pay lags behind some of the non-union facilities. We are supposed to have some advantages in the work rules area, but our union is weak and ineffective. Basically, the hospital agrees to things in the contract, violates them, and the union does nothing. Oh, they do collect 70.00 per month. You are not permitted to opt out of membership (most of the RNs would). If you opt out of the union. you must leave your job.
Give the CNA/NNOC a chance. Talk to others in your union and see if there is a critical mass to change. Some unions are actually in cahoots with the facility administrations...CNA is not!
Call the CNA/NNOC when you are ready, I am sure they will be willing to help you.
Good luck!
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No. 155
from forrester
Old Sep 17, 2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nicurn001 View Post
I think why some people have the attitude displayed by Nancy2 is that they are one of the chosen few , who get what they want , at the cost of everyone else and they know they will not be able to wheel and deal so easily in the future , so rather than lose the little individual power they have , they work against others achieving collective bargaining.
On a corporate level , I cannot understand how these individual nurses think they can bring about systemic change to the corporation , even they have to work collectively ,to gain evidence for any change proposed and have any hope of having that change implemented .
Well, there are some who feel unionizing is beneath nursing and detracts from its professionalism. I would argue that many professions unionize, including police, fire rescue, and airline pilots just to name a few. The most important reason, however, is that many (too many) facility administrations have clearly shown a disregard for patient care and safety in the name of profits. It is up to nursing to function as true patient advocates and demand sfaety, which includes safe staffing levels, on a global level.
I do agree that many nurses, particularly those in specialty areas, feel they are above the fray. They tend to live and work in isolated havens within the facilities, and have little regard for their fellow nurses or their working conditions. They too feel the nurses on med-surg units and tele units are grunts. Nursing, in my experience, is full of cliques like this. Sad situation really.
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No. 156
from CMCRN
Old Oct 20, 2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy2 View Post
In my experience, the union makes it's own rules for how "votes" go. Be it for contract ratification or for strike authorization. I have never seen a union do a public counting of ballots like the NLRB does. They count the ballots in private behind closed doors and the outcome is always what the union wants!! "The employees overwhelming voted in favor of..." I fought the battle to try to be invovled. Unions are not a democracy! He who counts the ballots wins!
Hey there! Wait just a darn minute. Now you are talking about me! During the last 2 strike votes at my facility I was asked by my union rep to do the counting. I am just a regular RN. I happened to be in the lunch room a couple of days later and randomly heard the same thing..."Well I heard there was a secret count and they didn't release the numbers..." I turned around and said I am they, and you are harming my reputation, I did that count. I am sure that is why my rep asked me to do it, because these rumors always go around. And anyone could be present at the count. Quite frankly no one wanted to hang around until 930PM to see the count.
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