How to bring in a nurses union in a non union state? - page 3

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I relocated to NC a few years ago from up north, and while I love it here, I am amazed and appalled by what some of these admins. can get away with in these hospitals. I have been reminded time and again that this is a "right to... Read More


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    Quote from MN-Nurse
    Unions can also openly discuss issues with management in a rational manner, with the added factor that if needs are not met the employer can try to find hundreds of other employees. This gives more encouragement for management to discuss issues in good faith as opposed to telling a lone RN "Tough luck if you don't like it you can leave."

    I don't know what fantasyland unions you've been working with, but all the nursing unions I have encountered were never rational in the slightest. Nothing but threatening and trying to start battles between nurses and management.

    Yes, the economy is bad and nurses are not in short supply at the moment, but that's true of every field right now.
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    Quote from EDnursetobe
    I don't know what fantasyland unions you've been working with, but all the nursing unions I have encountered were never rational in the slightest. Nothing but threatening and trying to start battles between nurses and management.

    Well, that's kind of harsh, Guess I'm living in a "fantasyland" too because our union never initiates, promotes or supports "battles" with management. Our contract negotiations go smoothly even if we have to make concessions.
    Sorry you've had such negative experiences but just because that's your reality doesn't mean it translates across all nursing unions.
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    Quote from EDnursetobe
    I don't know what fantasyland unions you've been working with, but all the nursing unions I have encountered were never rational in the slightest. Nothing but threatening and trying to start battles between nurses and management.

    Yes, the economy is bad and nurses are not in short supply at the moment, but that's true of every field right now.
    I don't know what fantasyland managment you've worked with , but it is they who set the tone of relations between employer and employee . If those relationships were good , NO union would be voted in by the majority of a facility . When a union has been voted in I would hope they represent me to the best of their abilities , and yes where management is not used to a dissenting voice being heard , managment will be combative and obstructive ( no bully likes to have those who they torment [ the employees] stand up to them[ by becoming unionized ] ).
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    I live in Florida, a right to work state, and the red-led NNU have been organizing the HCA hospitals here. In some ways I agree that we need some muscle to avoid being left out in the cold on wages and working conditions, but empowering organizations which at their core are dedicated to the destruction of our Constitution and capitalist economic system is not the way to go. (Ask any Cambodian). There are plenty of places for nurses to work in N.C., so if you don't like the working conditions, make that known by voting with your feet. And make sure that they get 'the message" at your exit interview.
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    The only message they get is that nurses are a dime a dozen , you think most nurses will be honest as to their reasons for leaving their poorly managed facility , nope most do not want to burn their bridges , the new place could be worse!.
    I love how those who are against unions usuallyadvise that as an individual , if you see things you should approach management to try to get things changed ( if it is something management is particularly unhappy to hear about , change will occur , you will lose your job !).Then if you haven't been fired roll the dice and move onto another job ( only possible if there is another employer available )which may or may not be better .
    Heaven forbid that you would turn to them commie , pinko unions ,you know those anticapitalists who brought about safe staffing ratios , hold the employer to the laws , their own policies and a contract .Who poison the (prior to the unions arrival )wonderful staff / management relationships at a facility etc..
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    I am not against unions at all; in fact, am in favor of unions, but not the leftist unions of today. My father was a union official in the 60s and 70s when workers wore "America, Love It Or Leave It stickers on their hard hats. One of my favorite films is "Hoffa" where Jack Nicholson does a dead-on impression of the Teamsters' leader who was not a leftist. Too bad his son answered the Communists siren call....

    All I am saying is that nurses should take a good look at union leadership to screen for anti-American, anti-capitalist leftist leadership before voting for or against a union, lest they support an organization that does not have the long-term best interests at heart for nurses, nurses' children and the future of our nation.

    Nurses need Unions; just not commie led fronts bent on advancing Socialism in the USA: the NNU/CNA/AFSCMW and SEIU.
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    Almost by definition unions have to support those who support labor friendly policies , unfortunately from the rights viewpoint , those policies are espoused by the left . I do not believe those policies are either anti American or anticapitalist they are simply pro labor .
    I believe in a balance of power between labor and capital , at present that balance is too far in favor of capital / employers . I will support policies in favor of labor until / unless they swing the pendulum of power too far in the opposite direction .
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    Quote from jhanes
    I live in Florida, a right to work state, and the red-led NNU have been organizing the HCA hospitals here. In some ways I agree that we need some muscle to avoid being left out in the cold on wages and working conditions, but empowering organizations which at their core are dedicated to the destruction of our Constitution and capitalist economic system is not the way to go. (Ask any Cambodian). There are plenty of places for nurses to work in N.C., so if you don't like the working conditions, make that known by voting with your feet. And make sure that they get 'the message" at your exit interview.
    As one of the people involved in forming the NNU, I can say for certain that your statement could not possibly be more false. Our union is absolutely not anti-capitalist, or anti-American, or anti-constitution. What we do believe is that the laws should apply equally to all - rich and poor alike - that a banker who steals a billion dollars by manipulating stock trading should be punished at least as harshly as a poor man who steals $100 with a gun. What we do believe is that workers have a right to a safe work place, that patients have a right to safe care, that workers are entitled to a decent wage and a certain amount of job security. And we do believe that the rich should pay a more fair share of the taxes collected in this country.
    When I was a kid, back in the 50s, none of those were controversial ideas. Many politicians of both parties supported them. Republican presidents like Eisenhower and even Nixon would have agreed with all of those statements. Back then the top marginal tax rate was 90% on the very highest incomes, and somehow the economy manged to do pretty well. And back then, unions were able to support politicians of both parties, because both parties had politicians who were pro-worker. But in the last 50 years the American political spectrum has moved so far right that people - ignorant people, I must say - can claim with a straight face that ideas like that are communist.
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    Only read afew of the comments so mabey this has been address. Neither 4 or against unions-I'm in one. Can you get fired for trying to start one YES. Will anyone ever say that was the reason, no. Unless you are perfect, those few little mistakes that we all make every now and then can and might be counted against you. I'm not saying you shouldn't try as it clearly seems you are being treated badly. I would get all my ducks in a row
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    Why do you all think the people in Ohio voted to repeal the governors law to restrict the unions? Because they work for the people who are trying to make a living in the state. Nurses, police, fireman, city workers all the people who make a hugh difference. They were planning to strip them of their hard fought and hard won rights as workers.
    In at will states they sure can and will fire you for anything or nothing, a paper trail is not hard to put in place if they really want too. And your career as a nurse can be jepordized as the State Boards of Nursing in the interest of protecting the public take their word that whatever they say happened really happened and you have to hire a lawyer and defend yourself at great cost.
    Last edit by brenda100 on Nov 9, '11 : Reason: left out a word


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