CNA set to strike at Oakland Children's Hospital

  1. 0 As usual, the cna is again about to have their nurses at the childrens hospital in Oakland walk out and abandon patients over an increase in insurance premiums! The nurses at this particular hospital make an average of $136,000 yearly with 85% of their insurance premiums taken care of by the hospital. This is the mindset of the cna/nnu....GREED! So now they abandon ill children who need them to get better insurance premiums? This isn't about management as they would have you believe, this is about putting more money in their fearless leader boss rose's pocket. She already makes over $200K yearly! Don't let the pro unionists have you believe that this is anything other than about the almighty dollar. All this does is make the unionized nurses look just as greedy as boss rose and even worse to the general public. Cast off the yoke of unionization and learn to speak and act for yourselves. No one should have to pay to have a job! No one should be subjected to senority style pay raises! And nobody, I mean nobody should be subjected to nurses abandoning their patients over insurance premiums or anything else! Be an individual not a union automaton!!
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  3. Visit  Kuryakyn profile page

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    Joined Oct '10; Posts: 17; Likes: 3.

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  4. Visit  lindarn profile page
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    As usual, the cna is again about to have their nurses at the childrens hospital in Oakland walk out and abandon patients over an increase in insurance premiums! The nurses at this particular hospital make an average of $136,000 yearly with 85% of their insurance premiums taken care of by the hospital. This is the mindset of the cna/nnu....GREED! So now they abandon ill children who need them to get better insurance premiums? This isn't about management as they would have you believe, this is about putting more money in their fearless leader boss rose's pocket. She already makes over $200K yearly! Don't let the pro unionists have you believe that this is anything other than about the almighty dollar. All this does is make the unionized nurses look just as greedy as boss rose and even worse to the general public. Cast off the yoke of unionization and learn to speak and act for yourselves. No one should have to pay to have a job! No one should be subjected to senority style pay raises! And nobody, I mean nobody should be subjected to nurses abandoning their patients over insurance premiums or anything else! Be an individual not a union automaton!!
    Nurses that, "cast off the yoke of unionization", are no longer nurses. They were long ago let go from the hospitals where they work.

    So what is wrong with nurses complaining about ever increasing insurance premiums? The 15% that is left may be the straw that broke the camel's back. Add that to the the ever increasing copays, and enough is enough!

    You should be thankful that there are nurses out there who are willing to risk themselves for the comon good.

    And do you think that the, "almighty dollar", doesn't play into a doctor's decision to no longer accept Medicare/Medicaid/ Tricare patients? If you think not, you are in la la land.

    I have been refuses medical care because the only insurance that I have is Tricare, which I am VERY thankful to be able to receive.

    And what is wrong with seniority pay raises? I am sick of new grads, being brought in at higher salaries than older, experienced nurses- also know as salary comression.

    If you really think that you can do better job, than the collective voices of unions, than go right ahead, stomp into the CEOs office, and demand California style staffing ratios. See how far you get when he/she, kicks you but out of the hospital, and you get backlisted, and can't find a job!

    Think that it won't/can't happen to you? Think again.

    JMHO and my NY$0.02.
    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW
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  5. Visit  Chico David RN profile page
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    I'll largely repeat a comment I've made before: Because CNA/NNOC stands up for the interests of nurses and patients, it makes a lot of very rich and powerful enemies. And every time we get into a major fight with one of those enemies - powerful politicians, filthy rich corporate CEOs, insurance companies, hospital chains, other unions, etc, you can count on a couple of brand new members showing up on this site, with brand new registration dates, solely for the purpose of attacking our union. Now, I wouldn't dream of trying to guess which of our current enemies the original poster represents, but I'll let readers be the judge.
    Nurses strike - always - by overwhelming vote of those nurses to strike. They strike because they choose to, because the issue is important enough to them to drive them to that extreme. The union never causes that to happen, the nurses involved choose it.
    The corporate agenda in this country, which has made a lot of progress in recent years, would love to take us to a world in which no worker has any health security, no worker has any retirement security and all workers compete against each other to see who will work for the lowest wage. Unions are our only defense against that vision of the future.
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  6. Visit  lindarn profile page
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    Quote from Chico David RN
    I'll largely repeat a comment I've made before: Because CNA/NNOC stands up for the interests of nurses and patients, it makes a lot of very rich and powerful enemies. And every time we get into a major fight with one of those enemies - powerful politicians, filthy rich corporate CEOs, insurance companies, hospital chains, other unions, etc, you can count on a couple of brand new members showing up on this site, with brand new registration dates, solely for the purpose of attacking our union. Now, I wouldn't dream of trying to guess which of our current enemies the original poster represents, but I'll let readers be the judge.
    Nurses strike - always - by overwhelming vote of those nurses to strike. They strike because they choose to, because the issue is important enough to them to drive them to that extreme. The union never causes that to happen, the nurses involved choose it.
    The corporate agenda in this country, which has made a lot of progress in recent years, would love to take us to a world in which no worker has any health security, no worker has any retirement security and all workers compete against each other to see who will work for the lowest wage. Unions are our only defense against that vision of the future.
    AMEN!!!

    Lindarn, RN , BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW
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  7. Visit  RN4MERCY profile page
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    [QUOTE=Kuryakyn;4585977]As usual, the cna is again about to have their nurses at the childrens hospital in Oakland walk out and abandon patients over an increase in insurance premiums!

    You're entitled to your anti-union automaton opinion, but you can't pick and choose inaccurate and misleading facts. How about some advocacy for a more equitable and fair not-for-profit healthcare system in this country; a single payer, MediCare for All program of social insurance!

    As I have posted before:
    For patient abandonment to occur, the nurse must:
    a) Have first accepted the patient assignment, thus establishing a nurse-patient relationship, and then,

    b) Severed that nurse-patient relationship without giving reasonable notice to the appropriate person (e.g., supervisor, patient) so that arrangements can be made for continuation of nursing care by others.

    A nurse-patient relationship begins when responsibility for nursing care of a patient is accepted by the nurse. Failure to notify the employing agency that the nurse will not appear to work an assigned shift is not considered patient abandonment, nor is refusal to accept an assignment considered patient abandonment.

    Once the nurse has accepted responsibility for nursing care of a patient, severing of the nurse-patient relationship without reasonable notice may lead to discipline of a nurse's license and charges of patient abandonment.

    RNs must exercise critical judgement regarding their individual ability to provide safe patient care when declining or accepting requests to work overtime. A fatigued and/or sleep deprived RN may have a diminished ability to provide safe, effective patient care. Refusal to work additional hours or shifts would not be considered patient abandonment.
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  8. Visit  Kuryakyn profile page
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    Union sympathizers would have you think that no self respecting RN would avoid a union, but that's not the facts! They want you to believe that other interests are coming here to express their views, sorry but that's total BS. If nurses thought being in a union was so fabulous, they would be running to boss rose with their wallets open just begging to pay union dues, but that isn't the case.... Check your facts closely before signing that union card...you could be signing your voice away!
  9. Visit  Chico David RN profile page
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    There are lots of good nurses in and out of unions. I can have productive discussions with sincere nurses who believe a union is not for them. Harder to have that sort of discussion with people whose only reason for being here is to attack unions. And our growth rate at my union - quadrupling in 15 years - seems lika a lot of nurses are pretty excited about joining
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  10. Visit  ♪♫ in my ♥ profile page
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    Just wonderin, OP...

    Why *shouldn't* nurses be trying to earn as much as they possibly can and working within the legal construct of our society to maximize their compensation?

    Everybody else does...

    The hospital corporations and insurance companies certainly seek to maximize their profits.

    The physicians certainly seek to maximize their profits.

    The executives certainly seek to maximize their earnings (and their perqs and their golden parachutes and their multi-year contracts...)

    Why *not* nurses?
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  11. Visit  Kuryakyn profile page
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    There are lots of good nurses in and out of unions. I can have productive discussions with sincere nurses who believe a union is not for them. Harder to have that sort of discussion with people whose only reason for being here is to attack unions. And our growth rate at my union - quadrupling in 15 years - seems lika a lot of nurses are pretty excited about joining
    So in 15yrs your organization has managed to unionize 5% of RNs and this membership has quadrupled in that time? Fabulous! So in another 15yrs you might actually have 10% of us unionized? Your numbers definitely show that nurses are indeed excited about your union, Not!!! Good lord you have the nurses running in droves to unionize
  12. Visit  nicurn001 profile page
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    Kuryakyn it is easy to comprehend your disdain for unions , but you and all the other anti union contributors never seem to offer a real alternative of effective action nurses can take against punitive , bad managment.
    For example I offer you this situation http://allnurses.com/nursing-news/ov...11671-new.html. How would you have advised these nurses to act , as individuals , to change the course of the managments actions . Please don't offer the usual answer of moving to another job because that option is not always available , does not resolve the situation for those who can't move .
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  13. Visit  Kuryakyn profile page
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    The option of moving jobs is always there. One does what one has to in order to care for theirselves and family. I wouldn't hesitate to leave a hospital like the one in the article. How much was their pay cut? How much had the union inflated their pay? I left the first hospital I worked at after nursing school due to the incoming new nurses making more than i was after 3 yrs of employment. I left the hospital and moved 3 hrs north for another job with family in tow. Love where i am now and never had to go on strike or pay dues.

    TO CHICO; Its quite intersting how you always like to indicate that an anti union nurse on this forum is a spy or otherwise. Not now nor ever have i been anything other than a RN. Not a schill or spy. I work in a RTW state that has very minimal union influence in the healthcare arena and will probably continue that way. Unions aren't the only answer. Unions are for automatons who like others to speak for them and also pay them to do it!
  14. Visit  Kuryakyn profile page
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    Nurses that, "cast off the yoke of unionization", are no longer nurses. They were long ago let go from the hospitals where they work.

    Lindarn, No, these nurses are now in RTW states where they dont have to worry about such bs as unions.
  15. Visit  Chico David RN profile page
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    Quote from Kuryakyn
    The option of moving jobs is always there. One does what one has to in order to care for theirselves and family. I wouldn't hesitate to leave a hospital like the one in the article. How much was their pay cut? How much had the union inflated their pay? I left the first hospital I worked at after nursing school due to the incoming new nurses making more than i was after 3 yrs of employment. I left the hospital and moved 3 hrs north for another job with family in tow. Love where i am now and never had to go on strike or pay dues.

    TO CHICO; Its quite intersting how you always like to indicate that an anti union nurse on this forum is a spy or otherwise. Not now nor ever have i been anything other than a RN. Not a schill or spy. I work in a RTW state that has very minimal union influence in the healthcare arena and will probably continue that way. Unions aren't the only answer. Unions are for automatons who like others to speak for them and also pay them to do it!
    If you had worked in a unionized environment in that first job, new nurses coming in at higher pay would not have been a problem and you could have saved all the costs of moving - enough to pay many years of union dues for most people.
    I merely pointed out a recurring pattern. And it is a recurring pattern. In general, people who join this site as regular participants are likely to be here a while as readers before posting, often comment on others' posts before posting themselves and typically post on more than one subject. But, as I said before, we do get this other sort that always shows up when we are in a fight with a deep-pocketed enemy - who joins and immediately starts posting attacks on our union and posts nothing else but that. Far be it from me to accuse any specific person of anything without evidence. Patterns are just patterns but can sometimes be instructive. Another pattern is that "boss Rose" usage, which suddenly started to appear here only since we got into our fight with a certain very deep-pocketed (but ultimately doomed) political candidate.

    Unions - the good ones anyway - actually allow nurses to stop being automatons who just obey at work and do as they are told. It gives us the backing and the opportunity to stand up for ourselves and out patients knowing that we have the support of a strong institution behind us. And good unions are highly democratic institutions that allow anyone with the interest and desire to become a leader - taking control of their own destiny, not just being ground up in a mill every day. I love the community I live in and I love the people I work with. 15 years ago a bunch of highly incompetent and very corporate types took over the leadership here. They cut resources and increased work loads. They told us "if you don't like it go somewhere else". But we figured this was our hospital, not theirs so we didn't leave - we unionized. Now they are all gone, every one of them, and we are still here, making twice what we were before and doing very much better. I'm not interested in moving every time a bad manager comes along. That's giving those suits control of my life. I'd rather stay here and band together to drive them out.
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