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Nursing Degrees: FAQs Concerning MA-to-RN Mobility - page 2

Numerous medical assistants thoroughly enjoy their jobs as workers in the allied healthcare field and couldn't imagine doing anything else. Other MAs feel trapped inside a circular vortex where rude... Read More

  1. Visit  TheCommuter profile page
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    Quote from Deuceswild1
    Yep, same reason that EMT-RN programs do not exist the model is different, the experience as 4 years as an EMT has made nursing school a lot easier for me though.
    On the other hand, a few paramedic-to-RN programs exist. More on that later, though...
  2. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from kaydensmom01
    I completely agree. This is not the first post where you bashed nurses and claimed how anyone can do a nurses job with 12 weeks of orientation- show WHY in the hell are you trying to become a RN? Oh wait it so you can get paid double to just sit on your ass.... Go into a different field because we do not need people like you that belittle the profession. I'm sorry that you do not value your education enough to know that you could not train an MA for 12 weeks to perform a RN's job and completely understand the rationale behind everything. No one has said that MA's would not make it in nursing school, but they are saying that the MA's and RN's education are completely different regardless of performing SOME of the same tasks and it takes longer than 12 weeks to gain that education of the differences. I received a wonderful education and know that I could not train an MA for 12 weeks to perform my job at the same level. Stop generalizing nurses.
    THIS...

    This was hashed out on the other thread...,still not seeing the forest AND the trees...
  3. Visit  Deuceswild1 profile page
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    On the other hand, a few paramedic-to-RN programs exist. More on that later, though...
    That is true, but paramedics do have a pretty wide scope of practice and operate as main patient care (IVstart, IV meds, airway, needle decompression) where as EMT or MA even less, are not usually the patients main caregiver in any role.
  4. Visit  ADeks profile page
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    I commend MAs, I highly doubt a doctor's office would work so smoothly without them. While they are in the medical field, I do not think that they could be a LPN/RN in 12 weeks. The amount of schooling we do to learn to critically think about the patient picture, diagnoses, and medications. I would not feel safe with someone who went to school for 12 weeks. Also it would be difficult for them to pass NCLEX with the variety of questions we were given 12 weeks would not have cut it. Another thing is, this is comparable that a CNAs knowledge and skills should be considered as experience for nursing. I have CNAs/techs in my hospital that draw blood, insert foleys as well.
    If a MA wants to continue on to nursing I would say go for it. I don't see how being a MA limits their capacity to become a nurse. We see CNAs become LPNs/RNS.
  5. Visit  smudgetool profile page
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    Quote from hope3456
    I have seen ads advertising MA programs (CollegeAmerica) that are claiming to be prereqs for a nursing career - trying to intertwine the two. It is also disturbing that these MA programs thru the "for profit trade schools" cost more than the ADN program at the local CC and MA's get paid like $12?? Yikes.
    OMG. I have never understood this. One could make more slamming coffee at Starbucks.
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    Quote from libran1984
    http://allnurses.com/general-nursing...ng-857345.html


    The beginning of the above thread provided an EXCELLENT topic on MAs replacing nurses. If they already perform the tasks, why not just put them on the front line of things right?
    I'm not sure how this is in the rest of the USA, but in California, the answer to this is the nurses unions. They are successful in continually taking scope-of-practice responsibilities away from MAs to prevent facilities from replacing nurses with more budget-oriented, yet skilled persons.
  7. Visit  kaydensmom01 profile page
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    Quote from smudgetool
    I'm not sure how this is in the rest of the USA, but in California, the answer to this is the nurses unions. They are successful in continually taking scope-of-practice responsibilities away from MAs to prevent facilities from replacing nurses with more budget-oriented, yet skilled persons.
    Or it could be the fact that the MA's care is not at the same standard as a licensed nurses. Yes MA's are better at technical tasks such as drawing blood and cathing sometimes, and although it is often confused by the MA as "doing the nurses job", this is not what nurses are hired for. After all we teach patients to cath themselves and give themselves injections, etc. all of the time and that does not make them a nurse. What makes a nurse different from an MA is their in depth knowledge of the disease processes, medications, therapeutic interventions and their ability to derive the "big picture" of the patient based on the various factors. Nurses are responsible for deciding if an intervention is the correct measure based on the various factors. Not saying an MA is worthless in the least, they are a valuable part of the healthcare team that has their place, but their place is not to replace the nurses.
  8. Visit  TheCommuter profile page
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    Quote from kaydensmom01
    Yes MA's are better at technical tasks such as drawing blood and cathing sometimes, and although it is often confused by the MA as "doing the nurses job", this is not what nurses are hired for.
    Someone once said, "I do more than the nurses!"

    A wise, 'older' and experienced nurse responded, "As a nurse I'm not paid for what I do. I'm paid for what I know."
  9. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    Someone once said, "I do more than the nurses!" A wise, 'older' and experienced nurse responded, "As a nurse I'm not paid for what I do. I'm paid for what I know."
    Word. :yes;
  10. Visit  melis112287 profile page
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    I could not agree with you more! I didn't go through a MA program but via experience have worked as one and now am a LPN, soon to be RN and yet I still could not disagree more with the comment you quoted! At my current job I struggle on a daily basis with what MA's can do without the proper education and foundation and more importantly governing body to oversee. They are unlicensed. At many places they may not even have to complete a program (ie myself). They are not supposed to, nor possess the skills, to assess and teach. Given that how could anyone think they could or should have responsibility for patient care and assessment! Just because some MA's, like myself, may possess "extra" skills and knowledge (likely because they are in their way to another career) that does not mean that they should be used as nurses....ugh, I could go on and on! It scares me because now especially with nursing education under my belt I see the room for error and lower quality patient care when facilities hire MA's in lieu of nurses. My employer included seemingly sees MA's as a lower cost option and thinks it is ok to decrease the number of nurses without clearly defining MA scope and the hierarchy that should exist. Employers and MA's need to be educated about the true nursing role.
    Last edit by melis112287 on Jan 4, '14
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    Oh my gosh! It is all I can do to not reply in the condescending and sarcastic manner the comment above deserves!
    My last comment was supposed to be in response to above, I didn't quote! Oops
  12. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from melis112287
    I could not agree with you more! I didn't go through a MA program but via experience have worked as one and now am a LPN, soon to be RN and yet I still could not disagree more with the comment you quoted! At my current job I struggle on a daily basis with what MA's can do without the proper education and foundation and more importantly governing body to oversee. They are unlicensed. At many places they may not even have to complete a program (ie myself). They are not supposed to, nor possess the skills, to assess and teach. Given that how could anyone think they could or should have responsibility for patient care and assessment! Just because some MA's, like myself, may possess "extra" skills and knowledge (likely because they are in their way to another career) that does not mean that they should be used as nurses....ugh, I could go on and on! It scares me because now especially with nursing education under my belt I see the room for error and lower quality patient care when facilities hire MA's in lieu of nurses. My employer included seemingly sees MA's as a lower cost option and thinks it is ok to decrease the number of nurses without clearly defining MA scope and the hierarchy that should exist. Employers and MA's need to be educated about the true nursing role.
    I have also had several of them tell me they are nurses when I ask "are you a nurse"? Considering several have told me that, and I have little reason to visit a doctors office, I would guess that misrepresenting themselves and nurses is widespread.
    A young man I know was dating a new girl. Among other things he was excited to tell me that she was a nurse. I was happy for them but after several months things he was telling me about her were not adding up. Like for example how she said she could not afford to move out of her parents house despite the fact that she had no debt. I know what newer nurses make where I work and a debt free young person should have no trouble at all affording to live on their own on what nurses make in our area. When I finally met her I asked if she was an LPN or RN? She said she was a "doctors office nurse"!
    In the end it didn't work out, I think in no small part because of her dishonesty.
  13. Visit  BDA12NV profile page
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    Numerous medical assistants thoroughly enjoy their jobs as workers in the allied healthcare field and couldn't imagine doing anything else. Other MAs feel trapped inside a circular vortex where rude doctors, routine tasks, rigid hours and low pay trigger their desire for another career that still involves patient care, procedural skills, and interaction in a healthcare setting.

    For many MAs, a career switch to nursing seems like a great idea. In reality, it is a great idea! However, MAs who are thinking about becoming nurses would be wise to realize a few things.

    So, are there any good MA-to-LPN or MA-to-RN bridge programs you can recommend?

    Sorry, but MA-to-LPN bridge programs do not exist. Neither do MA-to-RN completion programs. If one reads this and knows about one of these programs, feel free to share the name and location.

    Why don't MA-to-LPN or MA-to-RN programs exist? It's a logical progression!

    The progression doesn't seem all that logical to me. This opinion is coming from a person who completed an MA program in 2000, an LPN/LVN program in 2005, and an LPN-to-RN associate of science degree bridge program in 2010. Medical assisting is a part of the medical model of care provision, whereas nursing has its own distinct nursing model of care. And even though many medical assisting procedural skills overlap with multiple nursing tasks, the two career fields are not as similar as they might seem to the naked eye. Since the LPN and RN roles both fall under the same nursing model, LPN-to-RN bridge programs are offered at countless schools.

    Can I challenge the boards to become an LPN or RN if I have years of MA experience?

    No board of nursing in any state in the union will allow applicants to challenge the board to attain licensure as a registered nurse. However, California will allow applicants with the right mix of experience to challenge the boards to obtain licensure as an LVN (licensed vocational nurse). According to the California Board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians (2011), qualifying for the licensure examination based on prior education and experience, often referred to as "the equivalency method," requires the applicant to provide documentation of a minimum of 51 months of paid general duty inpatient bedside nursing experience in a clinical facility and completion of a 54-theory-hour pharmacology course.

    Do I still need to attend a nursing program if I am a medical assistant?

    The admissions advisers of most nursing programs do not grant any time off for possessing many years of experience as an MA. In most cases you will still need to pass the same prerequisite courses as other applicants, attain acceptable scores on the same entrance exams that others must take, get accepted like everyone else, and enroll in the same nursing courses. If you completed your MA program at a regionally accredited community college, some credits might transfer to your nursing program. However, your credits probably will not transfer if you graduated from an investor-owned trade school that lacks regional accreditation. In other words, your medical assistant training and work experience is valuable, but not likely to cut much time off your ultimate goal of becoming a licensed nurse.
    Correction Miami Dade College is one college I know for sure that offers RMA to RN bridge into the nursing program and they have been offering it for years.

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