Surgeon Bashes CRNAs in Vogue Magazine - page 2

I picked this up from another CRNA discussion board and have not read the article myself, but this appeared in the June 2004 Vogue magazine. It has stirred a lot of attention from CRNAs (As it should... Read More

  1. by   yoga crna
    First of all, this guy is NOT a surgeon, he is a dermatologist. He couldn't get hospital privileges to do plastic surgery. Secondly, the board of cosmetic surgery is not a recognized board and was developed by those who were not eligible for board certification in plastic surgery or ENT. I know this for a fact, because I was asked to be a consultant in setting it up.

    I believe that the AANA will be in touch with CRNAs in Southern California to see if any of them have lost business due to that article. If so, I hope that information will be given to the Federal Trade Commission, along with a strong letter from a prominent anti-trust attorney

    All of us on this board, no matter where you are in this field, need to understand the pressures we have as a profession. Get involved early and often, contribute money (when you can) to AANA projects and most important, be able to argue our case effectively.

    I will send a personal letter to Dr. Arbugel. He will not be happy when he gets the letter. I am trying to do some background work through my sources, to find out more about him and his PR firm. As an aside, we have seen a number of his patients who are unhappy with his work and are requesting fixes.

    YogaCRNA
  2. by   jaimealmostRN
    Quote from alansmith52
    if somone would please post the address of where to write ill put a copy of the article at my school along with the adress so that 100 of us can write him.

    Letters, VOGUE Magazine
    4 Times Square
    New York, NY 10036

    via internet: Talkingback@vogue.com

    ***Please include a daytime telephone number, letters may be edited for length or clarity***

    ps. this is the address listed in the April issue (the last one I bought).
  3. by   jaimealmostRN
    Quote from yoga crna
    First of all, this guy is NOT a surgeon, he is a dermatologist. He couldn't get hospital privileges to do plastic surgery. Secondly, the board of cosmetic surgery is not a recognized board and was developed by those who were not eligible for board certification in plastic surgery or ENT. I know this for a fact, because I was asked to be a consultant in setting it up.

    I believe that the AANA will be in touch with CRNAs in Southern California to see if any of them have lost business due to that article. If so, I hope that information will be given to the Federal Trade Commission, along with a strong letter from a prominent anti-trust attorney

    I will send a personal letter to Dr. Arbugel. He will not be happy when he gets the letter. I am trying to do some background work through my sources, to find out more about him and his PR firm. As an aside, we have seen a number of his patients who are unhappy with his work and are requesting fixes.

    YogaCRNA
    This is great news. Again, yoga you are an inspiration to all of us aspiring activists. May I ask though, where did you find this background info? Are things like this available to the public or do you know this from your job/expirence? I had never heard of anyone being "cosmetic surgery" board certified, is it new on the West coast?...I wonder what the board cert ENTs/plastics think of this? Sounds very unsafe to me (more corner cutting and decreases in quality of work most likely). Again, thanks for providing this background.
  4. by   alansmith52
    yoga when i grow up i wanna be you. or at least like you.
  5. by   suzanne4
    Quote from jaimealmostRN
    This is great news. Again, yoga you are an inspiration to all of us aspiring activists. May I ask though, where did you find this background info? Are things like this available to the public or do you know this from your job/expirence? I had never heard of anyone being "cosmetic surgery" board certified, is it new on the West coast?...I wonder what the board cert ENTs/plastics think of this? Sounds very unsafe to me (more corner cutting and decreases in quality of work most likely). Again, thanks for providing this background.
    Usually you just have to go to the doctor's website. It will list all of his affiliations....and some are quite funny. Perhaps we should flood his site with e-mails, wouldn't he just love that!
  6. by   suzanne4
    He isn't even an American. He is from Paris. Came to the US about 15 years ago, his site says that he is a leader in cosmetic surgery and one of the best dermatologists in the US???????

    Take a look at his website........................quite interesting.
    Says that with his new liposuction method, in just two hours you can go from a size 16 to a size 10. Wonder how that patient is doing immediately post-op? Electrolytes anyone?
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I am really really sick of NON medical magazines like Vogue and Ladies Home Journal making ignorant blanket statements about nurses, doctors and NP/CRNA etc. They need to stick to the fluff they do best and leave medical advice/opinions out of their reporting. They are misleading people in a criminal way.

    I advise the CRNAs here who take issue to deluge the magazine with their opinions the way many of us did Ladies Home Journal when they disrespected/disdained NP work, saying to "settle" for an NP is wrong, or something to that effect.

    Use your voice power and let these people know they need to stick to fashion and other similiar fluff and leave the misleading and one-sided "medical" advice out, or AT LEAST present a BALANCED, INFORMATIVE piece for public use.
  8. by   NRSKarenRN
    the center for nursing advocacy has a good info + response about this article:
    http://www.nursingadvocacy.org/news/2004jun/vogue.html

    see their instant letter link:
    please help us by sending our instant letter. please click here.
  9. by   loisane
    Quote from nrskarenrn
    the center for nursing advocacy has a good info + response about this article:
    http://www.nursingadvocacy.org/news/2004jun/vogue.html

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    this article is a great response. it especially warms my heart to see such a response from a non-anesthesia nursing organization. if we can promote more of this attitude, nursing can move mountains.

    thanks for this link!

    and remember, fair is fair. we crnas/srnas need to stand up for nps/cnss/cnms when the need arises.

    loisane crna
  10. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from loisane
    And remember, fair is fair. We CRNAs/SRNAs need to stand up for NPs/CNSs/CNMs when the need arises.

    loisane crna

    I completely agree with this loisane. I belong to none of the above mentioned groups but as a nurse, I feel a responsiblity to speak out against inaccuracies and blatant lies spoken against any member of the profession. I sent my letters last night.
  11. by   u-r-sleeepy
    Pieces of my letter:

    Dear Mr. Thomas Florio, Ms. Anna Wintour, Ms. Ariel Levy and Dr. Patrick Abergel:

    As a xx year old CRNA, I feel the need to respond. Are you smoking crack? Do you often feel the need to make statements to the public that are not grounded in fact? Statements that may prove "actionable" in a legal sense? Do you simply make statements and never check sources or facts to verify whether those statements are indeed acurate?

    I spent years learning my "craft" and realize I am taking someone else's life (and my career!) in my hands EVERY TIME I provide an anesthetic. Can you say, "PRESSURE!"? Yes, it is stressful, but I also happen to LOVE what I do! My colleages are just like me. I don't understand how you can make such a damaging remark without even doing a little checking around before printing such things.

    I'm confident others will write to point out the legendary history of safe anesthesia provided for over 100 years by nurse anesthestists. They will no doubt point out to you that studies have been done showing NO DIFFERENCE in outcome of anesthesia whether provided by Anesthesiologists or Nurse Anesthetists. That CRNAs (Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists) provide 2/3 of all anesthesia in the US. Blah, blah, blah, ect. The facts are known and all you needed to do was "do a little homework" before printing such a potentially damaging article.

    In fairness to you all, I'm wondering if the statement was made about some of the truly "quack" situations where cosmetic surgery is being performed by people who are NOT "Board Certified Surgeons" (like Dr. Abergel - check it out!) and perhaps using a "nurse" who is NOT a CRNA to do the anesthetic??? THAT is indeed DANGEROUS!!!! Perhaps Dr. Abergel runs in those kinds of circles - thus he might make a statement like that?

    CRNAs have our own "private" forum/chatboard and some the information is coming out about Dr. Abergel. Mainly, it looks like HE is most likely the "quack" practicing out of his "safe-zone" as a physician, yet wanting to call 30,000 Nurse Anesthetists providing 2/3rds of America's anesthesia care "unsafe"! Talk about having "Gaul" - of course, I see he is FRENCH! Need I say more?

    Please check your facts in the future and if you don't already do so, perhaps it's time for you to begin to pray that the CRNAs of the US don't feel the need to launch a lawsuit for damages to our good name and income.

    Sleeepy

    So - what do ya think? A little "strong"? ;-) hehehehe!!! I hope so!
  12. by   alansmith52
    Matthew Alan Smith RN. BSN. RRNA
    Graduate Student
    Texas Wesleayan University

    alansmith52@sbcglobal.net

    June 2, 2004


    Dear Mr. Thomas Florio, Ms. Anna Wintour, Ms. Ariel Levy and Dr. Patrick Abergel:

    Responsible Journalism, I am not sure what it means anymore. Vogue Magazine published a statement that was slanderous to Nurse Anesthetists by saying in effect that having surgery when such provides the anesthesia is "unsafe". I call for the magazine to reference this statement factually. Many studies have been done that show empirically that Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist (CRNA) are AT LEAST as safe as anesthesiologists and one study suggests that they are more so. (Pine ET all)
    You the executive board must realize that not only will this deter people from getting plastic surgery but also getting life saving surgery as well. Twelve states have now made laws that give CRNA's the ability to work without anesthesiologists. These states have made these decisions based on the afore mentioned research that has been done.
    CRNA's have been doing Anesthesia ON THEIR OWN in those states for at least a year now and guess what? People aren't dropping off like flies because of it.
    The statement made by this magazine is slanderous, endangers actual sick patients and destroys jobs.
    I demand a formal apology, in edition to an article that tells the truth. Vogue may not realize what a heated legal/political battle this is, and will soon find it self in a bad way if action is not taken immediately. I fully expect my professional association to litigate if corrective action is not taken immediately.
    Matt Smith RN. BSN. RRNA

    Thank you,

    Matthew Alan Smith RN. BSN. RRNA





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    Dear Matthew Alan Smith,

    Unfortunately, the comment published in Vogue is being taken out of context
    and does not represent the full scope of my beliefs. I wanted to emphasize
    anesthesia should not be performed by the surgeon or by unqualified
    assistants. Rather, anesthesia should be administered by professionals
    trained in the field of anesthesia, whether it is a Nurse Anesthetists or a
    Physician Anesthesiologist.

    I had no control over the editing of this article. I have high regard for
    the profession of Nurse Anesthetists. My comments in no way were intended
    to undermine your valuable contribution to the field of health care. I
    apologize if that is the way it has been perceived by the article.

    Best Regards,


    R. Patrick Abergel, M.D.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: alansmith52@sbcglobal.net [mailto:alansmith52@sbcglobal.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:24 AM
    To: Vogue; R. Patrick Abergel
    Last edit by alansmith52 on Jun 2, '04
  13. by   deepz
    Quote from alansmith52
    ...... Twelve states have now made laws that give CRNA's the ability to work without anesthesiologists. .......

    Matt, please! NO STATE has EVER required a CRNA to work with an MDA.

    Important distinction: the twelve Opt-Out states have simply removed the titular 'supervising' role from the surgeon or any other doc (for reimbursement purposes under Part A of Medicare only, blah, blah, ...snore...).

    All fifty States have ALWAYS had CRNAs enabled to work without MDAs.

    deepz

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