Ive seen CRNA's work and would like to work on the OR team providing anesthesia. I was wondering if anyone who is now a CRNA or an MDA or anyone who is in either medical school or grad school for CRNA could answer this question:
Is CRNA graduate school as demanding education-wise as medical school in alot of ways? I mean, did you have to take alot of the same classes that give you necessary medical base knowledge such as the big medical school entrance course, gross human anatomy with cadavre dissection?
I want to know because I've taken Basic Chem 1&2, Basic Bio 1&2, and am now taking A&P for nursing school
right now. I like learning but am dissappointed by how lacking in detail and vague(purely theoretical and without clear explanation) alot of the learning is. For instance, I'm sure medical students learn alot more and gain alot more insight when they actually dissect human cadavres together while we only can gain a semi-theoritical model, looking at diagrams, and dissecting cat and sheep livers. I'm also very dissapointed about how almost all my other co-pre-nursing students students say this material is stupid and that they will forget it as soon as the test is over and never use it!!!! They;re like, "doctors are the ones who will have to know this stuff in-depth" I'm like, Hey! I want to be able to use and depend on what I'm learning now!
When you get to graduate school, does all of that change to more in-depth, hands-in learning? Do alot of CRNA programs have gross anatomy dissection? Should I fear that, by not going to medical school, I will be missing out of alot of training needed for me to be able to collaborate with anesthesiologists and surgeons without them having to change wavelengths for me?
May 2, '04
Hate to inform you Tenesma, but I know of at two schools with anatomy classes (YES--for MED students) with cadaver dissections in great danger of being removed. Instead of a few students per group, they're already up to 12-15 students per cadaver. No big surprise, after the big fiasco with the public finding out about the blowing up of bodies donated for "science".
Now, to answer Susanna. I've never been to medical school, so I can't compare it to anesthesia school. (Same thing goes for MDA's--they may try to compare our trainings, but please remember they haven't been through my program.) Anesthesia school is TOTALLY not like undergrad. You do not learn things for a test, you learn them so you won't kill someone. You learn the why, and it's not just because your professor said so. You learn 'why', because you cannot adequately and safely practice anesthesia if you don't know why you are doing something. Things are taught extremely in depth, much more so than you ever really wanted to know. Also unlike undergrad nursing, when you graduate, you're ready to practice. I certainly can't say that about when I finished my BSN.
I believe you'd be pleasantly surprised at the breadth of anesthesia school. I suggest you call a few of your top choices and ask for a copy of their program's classes with desciptions, per semester. That greatly helped me choose between schools. Good luck to you!
Last edit by NCgirl on May 2, '04
May 8, '04
First off, UCDSICURN, you stink! :angryfire I'm so jealous! Dissecting in undergrad your own cadaver!! (If you people couldn't already tell, I really like the idea of learning by cadavers.)
But anyway, seriously, I've been reading these forums now for a while and know that this is a very worn out, beaten topic (ie, the posts on "here’s what MDAs really think of CRNA's" and others). So, I really want to thank those here who have answered my tiresome, very newbie questions.
Truthfully, If I didn’t know about the CRNA profession, I probably would be going straight to medical school to get an MDA. But, I have my own particular feeling of intimacy with the CRNA profession because I've watched them work professionally in the OR and was extremely touched by the very delicate and careful nature of the work and the relationship to the patient. MDA or CNA, anesthesia is one hard, stressful job but one that rewards great satisfaction!
I'd rather get my CRNA than MDA because it takes less time, less money and seems almost as challenging as the MDA. The problem here is the issue of trust and confidence in myself.
Its been disappointing looking at the studentdoctor.org website and see them say things like CRNA's will never have the essential decision-making or critical thinking skills MDA's develop during medical school courses like pathophysiology (I looked at CRNA programs and found that this was true; I didn’t see any schools offering this course) and during grueling internships and 80hr/week residencies. Its one thing to say that CRNAs won't have the background education/medical knowledge of MDAs. Naturally, this is true.
Its quite another and scary thing for me to hear that they won't have the decision-making skills/scientific orientation to be a trustworthy independent anesthesia provider cause Legally, CRNAs are independant of MDAs ad do practice without them with surgeons.
Even tho medical school is really great experience, Id rather not go unless absolutely necessary because i already know what i want to do. The main emotional motive I have for getting into this field is that I like the unique situation of trust the provider is put in. Anesthesia can kill a complicated case and its no joke. If someone in here honestly feels that with a CRNA education/background, i cant be as trustworthy as an Mda , please do say so.
Ill post back when I finally get around to making a decision.
Last edit by susanna on May 8, '04
: Reason: didnt even mean to post the first time, accident oops