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Mar 17, 2009 02:50 PM

IVs


Has anyone started anesthesia school without much experience starting IVs? I don't have a ton of experience with it, mostly because the majority of my patients came back from the OR with central lines, swans, a-lines,--everything I needed. I'm trying to do as many as possible between now and when I start school in Aug; sometimes I'm successful, sometimes I'm not. I realize it's a skill that will come with time and practice, but I can't help feeling...I don't know...like I should have this mastered before I start school. It's such a basic skill and a crucial one to the role I'm pursuing. Just wondering your thoughts on this. Thanks


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from alterego33
Old Mar 20, 2009, 01:23 AM

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Starting IVs is a technical skill and is one you can learn quickly. There are a few rules for starting IVs for anesthesia that are different than IVs for other situations.

1. Use local to make a skin wheal before inserting the bigger bore angiocath. Use your brains on this rule. If the patient is in shock, needs an IV quickly, etc, then you should skip this step. But for elective surgery, the patients love it and don't listen to anyone who says a needlestick is a needlstick. In anesthesia, we are held to a higher standard on all of these technques and our job is to take away pain. Remember that.

2. Use as large a bore cathether as is practical.

3. Tape it in well.

4. Consider the type of surgery and surgical site when selecting a vein.

5. If it is not threaded up to the hub, don't use it. Start another one. Doing an IV induction requires a GOOD IV. If it infiltrates while doing an induction, you could have a partially anesthetized patient who is paralyzed.

6. Remember with a good IV and an endotracheal tube in the airway, you can handle just about anything in anesthesia.

7. Check you IV frequently duing a case. I saw an anesthesiologist forcefully push 2 liters of fluid in an infiltrated IV leading to a severe compartment syndrome.

8. I use a heating pad, or make sure the patients' arms are under the bair hugger to distend the veins.

9. Don't go digging around for a vein unless you can see or feel it.

10. After 3 attempts, let someone else try.

Usually, I am not a big rule person, but these have worked for me and other anesthetists.

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from rose98
Old Mar 23, 2009, 01:13 PM

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I'm starting anesthesia school in August (MSA as well). I have no experience starting IV's since every hospital I have worked at has an IV team. Oddly enough, this it what I am probably the most nervous about. However, I don't think we are alone....5 of my coworkers are also attending MSA and they have little or no experience with IV starts. Another coworker that started last August said MSA sets you up with IV nurses and she shadowed the iv nurse for 3 hours, and then started IV's for the last 5 hours. I think the experience is all on your own time and its only for those not comfortable starting IV's. You can probably do that as many times as you need, or have time for. I just think, if everyone else can learn that skill, why wouldn't we be able? It will just take time and practice like everything else.
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Old Mar 23, 2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rose98 View Post
I'm starting anesthesia school in August (MSA as well). I have no experience starting IV's since every hospital I have worked at has an IV team. Oddly enough, this it what I am probably the most nervous about. However, I don't think we are alone....5 of my coworkers are also attending MSA and they have little or no experience with IV starts. Another coworker that started last August said MSA sets you up with IV nurses and she shadowed the iv nurse for 3 hours, and then started IV's for the last 5 hours. I think the experience is all on your own time and its only for those not comfortable starting IV's. You can probably do that as many times as you need, or have time for. I just think, if everyone else can learn that skill, why wouldn't we be able? It will just take time and practice like everything else.
I agree with you, I know that eventually I will become proficient. And I am okay at it now, but just okay. The hard sticks I'm still uncomfortable with. But I know what you mean, seriously that's what I'm most nervous about at this point, too. Go figure Thanks for the info about MSA, that's reassuring, makes me feel better. See you in Aug!
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from foraneman
Old Mar 24, 2009, 06:19 AM

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You will very soon be an IV expert...even called to start IVs when the IV team cannot. Do not fret over it.
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from Suen
Old May 06, 2009, 02:20 AM

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Our crnas are not responsible for starting ivs in our units. They help out with A-LINES or Lps. Havent seen any PIV unless the pt is post op.
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from alterego33
Old May 06, 2009, 12:29 PM

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Being IV competent is critical to being a CRNA. Many times we are the most qualified and experienced person in a facility to start IVs and we are called to start others and our own.

You will learn and do great, it is like any technique, learn the tricks and get the experience.

Another difference you will find in anesthesia, the size and location of the catheters are judgment calls in the surgical setting. Those of us experienced in anesthesia will tell you that a good working IV is often life saving.
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from reded
Old May 07, 2009, 03:59 PM

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A little tip I found useful: If after putting up the turniquet you don't see any prominent veins, drop the turniquet for a few seconds and put it back on. I almost always do this when starting i.v.'s as it makes for a better target.
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from Suen
Old May 08, 2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by alterego33 View Post
Being IV competent is critical to being a CRNA. Many times we are the most qualified and experienced person in a facility to start IVs and we are called to start others and our own.

You will learn and do great, it is like any technique, learn the tricks and get the experience.

Another difference you will find in anesthesia, the size and location of the catheters are judgment calls in the surgical setting. Those of us experienced in anesthesia will tell you that a good working IV is often life saving.
Thanks, this is good information to know especially coz i pernonally tend to shy away from the hard sticks. I will use this time to improve on this skill before starting crna school. Suen
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from VCUBen
Old May 16, 2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by reded View Post
A little tip I found useful: If after putting up the turniquet you don't see any prominent veins, drop the turniquet for a few seconds and put it back on. I almost always do this when starting i.v.'s as it makes for a better target.
Ed
Please explain why this works so i can make it work for me! Thanks
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