Here's what AAs really think of CRNAs - page 9

And this comes from the PRESIDENT of the American Society of Anesthesiologist Assistants Again, assertions that AAs and CRNAs function at the same level -absolutely misleading. And, what's... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    Quote from loisane
    There is not doubt in my mind that AAs are being promoted in an attempt to displace CRNAs from the market. Face it, and accept it. Then if you can still feel supportive of the concept of AA practice, at least you are seeing the big picture.
    Why would AA's displace CRNA's? Isn't the demand for anethesia, as well as all health care services in general, expected to grow with the aging baby boom generation in the next 20 years? Isn't it possible that there's room for both?

    Last edit by Sheri257 on May 5, '04
  2. by   newgrad2004
    Quote from alansmith52
    Actually I prefer the term Anesthesia Specialist. lol ... since we are having a battle of names.
    or "lord Anesthesia".. top that... wait here comes one.
    "anesthesia mac-daddy"
    " distiguished Anesthesia crem-dela-crem"
    woo, I am almost dessert now.

    just trying to add some lightheartedness.
    I do like the anesthesia specialist one though.
    How about "someones sugar daddy" hehe
    Personally I loved my anestesiologist, And everytime I had surgery was before school and I didnt ask credentials being out side of field. I just knew they gave me some good S$%# and I love them for it
  3. by   gaspassah
    i was wondering if ohio law was different from georgia in how they regulate AA's, and if so how. athlein made a good point and i saw no response to her post. if georgia is like ohio then arent you (georgiaAA) practicing outside your scope?
    4731-24-04 Anesthesiologist assistants: prohibitions.

    (A) Nothing in this chapter of the Administration Code or Chapter 4760. of the Revised Code shall permit an anesthesiologist assistant to perform any anesthetic procedure not specifically authorized by Chapter 4760. of the Revised Code, including epidural and spinal anesthetic procedures and invasive medically accepted monitoring techniques. For purposes of this chapter of the Administrative Code, "invasive medically accepted monitoring techniques" means pulmonary artery catheterization, central venous catheterization, and all forms of arterial catheterization with the exception of brachial, radial and dorsalis pedis cannulation.

    (B) An anesthesiologist assistant shall not practice in any location other than a hospital or ambulatory surgical facility.

    (C) An anesthesiologist assistant shall not practice except under the direct supervision and in the immediate presence of a supervising anesthesiologist as defined in this chapter of the Administrative Code and Chapter 4760. of the Revised Code.
    Effective: May 30, 2003

    Note: this excerpt from the Ohio practic regs governing AAs
  4. by   CougRN
    Quote from deepz
    You think you are my professional equal. You are grossly mistaken.

    Be clear: I bear you no personal enmity. No doubt you are an intelligent and articulate person, and possibly you are a superior anesthesia provider as an AA. Never mistake that for being the equal of a CRNA -- not all CRNAs at least. Not me.

    []
    Now I know we have to be supportive of each other as CRNA's and SRNA's but I can't help but notice that this sounds exactly like an MDA talking to a CRNA. It appears that your hostility is aimed in the wrong direction. This man comes and offers information on his profession to people who don't know much about it. And how have some people responded, like the residents and interns on studentdoctor.net when I posted there. I can see being upset with the policies of the ASA and what they are attempting to do. But to direct that anger at one person who is obviously trying to be open and helpful is misguided in my opinion. We shouldn't stoop to the level of some of those who have said the same things about us.
  5. by   swumpgas
    Quote from lizz
    Why would AA's displace CRNA's? Isn't the demand for anethesia, as well as all health care services in general, expected to grow with the aging baby boom generation in the next 20 years? Isn't it possible that there's room for both?

    nice article from the Florida Papers how AA's via MDA's got their collective feet in the door
    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion...3c01e00db.html


    MONEY!!!!!!!
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on May 6, '04 : Reason: fixed link
  6. by   ep71
    Quote from alansmith52
    this a vauge discription of classes. what does "pre-med" classes mean. I always thought of "pre-med" as code for I dont' know what the hell i wanna do but i like science.
    anatomy, check
    physiology check
    micro check
    chem check
    nurtition check
    phycology check
    human developent check
    pathophysiology again check
    what is the diffrence in what we do and what they do?????
    physics?? lol.. is that it. physics.. hmmmmmmmm
    1 yr General Chemistry
    1 yr Organic Chemistry
    1 yr General Physics
    1 Yr Biology
    1 yr Calculus varies
    1 yr English
    Some require Biochemistry
    Every course you listed besides Chemistry is not considered a medical school prerequisite. The courses that I listed are just the basics. Most med schools expect you to take upper level science courses.
    Last edit by ep71 on May 6, '04
  7. by   alansmith52
    they require you to have a bachelors degree. and in what?????
    as has been shown/discussed here mostly its in music or social work.

    we've had english,,, pluueeesss

    as deepz and swupgass are saying,
    to me its not how good you are now. its DID YOU PAY THE PRICE.
    I dont see anyone else in this industry paying the price we have. phyisical, emotional, mental I still am not over the constant beet down I've recieved from family, friends, pateints, and phycians (can we stop calling them doctors it makes me sick... their not)
    anyway its very early and I just woke up, the filter isn't working yet in my head so I may edit this later.
    plust weve had all that other stuff, I ve had a year of chem actually more now. and biology yes, calculus it somthing you made up.
  8. by   athomas91
    Why would AA's displace CRNA's? Isn't the demand for anethesia, as well as all health care services in general, expected to grow with the aging baby boom generation in the next 20 years? Isn't it possible that there's room for both?
    Lizz - i don't know how old you are - or how much you know about this profession yet - but you (if you plan on entering the profession and promoting it) might want to lose the naivity. The ASA (like Loisane stated) has tried for decades to oust CRNA's - when it couldn't acheive that ....suprise...AA's enter the picture... right now, today - there is not a risk of displacement ....but you must look toward the future...their push right now is opening more schools, increasing the area of practice - to what end do you think those goals might be for???

    Florida's vote had nothing to do w/ patient safety - it had to do w/ the fact that the ASA has some of the highest paid lawyers and strongest lobbiests in the nation... and unless WE - CNRA"S - educate the public as to what is really going on ...and who they are really receiving care from - then it will be to our own detriment.

    as far as pay...and job availability...it is a simply supply vs demand...they flood the market w/ AA's - there goes not only job availability but also $$... you say that there is a shortage - and yes, right now there is ...but if you were up to date on the AANA's initiatives for the year you would know that the goal is to increase the # of programs, to increase the funding for SRNA's to assist them in their efforts for school...so they are addressing the shortage by attempting to recruit and make it easier to bear the burden of bills during school.....

    I agree w/ deepz....GeorgiaAA - i have no personal problem w/ you - i am sure you are a very capable provider...but you come to a nursing site...and tell SRNA's, CRNA's that our practice is equal when it is in fact not.....you tell us how hostile we are after you post that AA's are coming to take over our states...HELLO....what did you think you would get, a rollover? You go to another country and help kids - i have great respect for that - even though you are practicing outside (legally) of your scope of practice according to your licensure....i will say again - the ASA, AA's blurr the lines of distinction to attempt to show an equality - it is misleading and false - and eventually the AANA will be able to show that to the public....
  9. by   swumpgas
    Quote from newgrad2004
    How about "someones sugar daddy" hehe
    Personally I loved my anestesiologist, And everytime I had surgery was before school and I didnt ask credentials being out side of field. I just knew they gave me some good S$%# and I love them for it
    Who actually did your anesthesia? are you sure it was personally done by that MDA, or just saw a white coat appear, do you pre op chat, then turn you over to a CRNA to actually do the work.

    In bigger "Team" places, you may be so doped up that you don't even recall who actually does your anesthesia. That is one of the little "tricks" used to do ghost anesthesia. Let people think because an MDA sees them preop, says "I'll be doing your anesthesia", dopes the person up, and the case is actually done by a CRNA, or AA, while the MDA goes back to the stock ticker. Or Donuts.

    Most times, the actual anesthesia "doer" is setting up for the case, the MDA sees the patient, and the patient is dragged ito the room with no idea of who is really doing the work.

    did they have donuts on their breath?
    Last edit by swumpgas on May 6, '04 : Reason: spelling
  10. by   user69
    Quote from athomas91
    as far as pay...and job availability...it is a simply supply vs demand...they flood the market w/ AA's - there goes not only job availability but also $$... you say that there is a shortage - and yes, right now there is ...but if you were up to date on the AANA's initiatives for the year you would know that the goal is to increase the # of programs, to increase the funding for SRNA's to assist them in their efforts for school...so they are addressing the shortage by attempting to recruit and make it easier to bear the burden of bills during school.....
    [font='Times New Roman']Athomas91, I am confused by your message. First you say that "they" (I guess you mean the MDAs) are flooding the market with AAs but It has been established on this thread that there are only two schools producing AAs and only around 700 practicing from the past 30 years. And that this huge push is going to flood the market and drop CRNA salaries. Then you go on to tell us that the AANA is pushing to open more programs and aid in the recruitment of new CRNAs. How is the opening of new CRNA programs going to help me get a better salary and fight the future overabundance of anesthesia providers?
  11. by   Kiwi
    WOW! Is Jeff a member of this board?
  12. by   loisane
    Quote from athomas91
    Lizz - i don't know how old you are - or how much you know about this profession yet - but you (if you plan on entering the profession and promoting it) might want to lose the naivity. The ASA (like Loisane stated) has tried for decades to oust CRNA's - when it couldn't acheive that ....suprise...AA's enter the picture... right now, today - there is not a risk of displacement ....but you must look toward the future...their push right now is opening more schools, increasing the area of practice - to what end do you think those goals might be for???
    I was going to respond to Liz, but I couldn't have said it any better.

    You SRNAs and wannabes are the future of our profession. Us old timers are doing all we can (at least some of us are!) to hang onto your legacy. But help us out here. You simply must not buy into the ASA BS.

    I know some of us sound hostile and caustic. When you are in the trenches of anesthesia, and face the battles on a daily basis, you will have a better understanding of where that anger comes from. And while it might be counter productive to express that level of frustration to your legislator, I think some posters are using it here to motivate. The ASA paints a pretty picture, but look for the little man behind the curtain (Wizard of Oz).

    loisane crna
  13. by   suzanne4
    I can definitely say that I would never allow an AA to deliver my anesthesia. And I definitely prefer a CRNA over a MDA, any day of the week.

    And will never let a MDA resident in the room...................scary thought....
    not even to cover for a bathroom break.
    At a facility that will remain unmentioned by name, they had some aneshtesia residents brought over from another facility. The MDAs were used to having CRNAs there and not residents. These newbies were left alone in rooms and all of their patients were taken to the PACU intubated. One even asked a friend of mine to show him how to work the anesthesia machine. such as "How do you turn it on?"
    No thank you...................... :uhoh21:

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