Do CRNA programs favor male applicants? - page 2

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Hey guys, I was looking over the AANA website when I noticed an interesting statistic, 43% of CRNAs are males. I would have expected that number to be much lower since only 8% of RNs are males, so this means a higher percentage... Read More


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    Quote from DIGNOUT
    As a male nurse, I am shocked by your hostile degree of gender bias and sad generalizations. You must not be a man because you have a truly limited, elementary understanding of our "species," lending more to bitterness than actual insightful input. Using your formula, as a gay male nurse, I would be best suited to bedside nursing in a white dress with white hose, right...since I'm feminine, huh? Well, dear, I will not stoop to your level, rather inform my ICU male colleagues that they have been "figured out." I'll also forward it to all of the male bedside nurses at my institution, and see how much they like your words of wisdom. Shame. :trout:
    amen

    especially dug point #2 where male nurses have little or no sense of altruism. Hail the almighty dollar!

    If I suggested to anyone in my unit (male or female) that their prime motivation for nursing work was FINANCIAL WEALTH they'd laugh at me.

    Oh yes....the CCRN.....i've paid $600 for study materials and a test date....and get squat for compensation from my hospital, other than personal satisfaction and clinical practice knowledge.

    But hey, I'm a dude, so I'm really doing it for money, power, and name recognition. Definitely not doing it to provide better care for my patients, and because I love medicine.

    I'm not going to deny that male dominated fields pay better because of gender bias, and men generally get paid more than women (because that is most certainly true, and it's wrong) but point #2 is pretty crazy.


    As far as putting up with BS at work --- do a search for CRNA on the student doctor network; talk about interprofessional friction.


    I agree with TexasCCRN. I think more men apply.
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    Quote from DIGNOUT
    As a male nurse, I am shocked by your hostile degree of gender bias and sad generalizations. You must not be a man because you have a truly limited, elementary understanding of our "species," lending more to bitterness than actual insightful input. Using your formula, as a gay male nurse, I would be best suited to bedside nursing in a white dress with white hose, right...since I'm feminine, huh? Well, dear, I will not stoop to your level, rather inform my ICU male colleagues that they have been "figured out." I'll also forward it to all of the male bedside nurses at my institution, and see how much they like your words of wisdom. Shame. :trout:
    Teiladay was just making a comment on how most men don't particularly like bedside nursing. He makes some generalizations true, but I agree with him to a certain degree. As a whole most men dont particularly enjoy cleaning up defectant, performing bed baths, making the beds, etc - In nursing it seems as though you cant give your honest opinion without some academic type jumping down your throat about not being "sensitive". I mean if you don't like to do those things, its your perogative. I am assuming that the reason why someone who doesn't like to do those things does them is because it is their job and they are getting paid, in absence of the later fact I dont believe many men would volunteer to change sheets, creating perfect little corners in the process while simultaneously give the "perfect bed bath". In my opinion, bedside nursing is more of a feminine type of field - more of a "caregiver" type of thing. Traditionally the caregiver throughout time has always been the woman. Maybe it is the same thing for Gay Males, I dont know because I am not gay. As a 100% straight male, and proud straight male btw, I can understand where Teiladay is coming from. I mean I don't agree with everything he says, but I do agree with a large portion of it.

    Sean
    Last edit by HannitizeYou on Aug 26, '07
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    Two of my friends and former colleagues in the ICY are now CRNA's.
    I hope they remember that in critical care the were bedside nurses.
    I commend the education and skills of CRNAs. I admire all direct care nurses, educators & professors, and many administrative and management nurses.

    Some don't have the patience to help patients and families in, for instance, fresh open heart patients. We use facts, body language, and teaching to help them cope with a normal recovery period. (All the while prepared for complications)
    I love that unless it is an emergency I knew my patient and family preop. It relly helps in assessing mental status.

    Sometimes when our former patients come for cardiac rehab they visit. My day shift colleagues call and I come to see those I cared for if I can. It is SO GOOD to know when they are doing well!

    Like with infants and children keeping patients clean is necessary. I don't care about "perfect corners" or bouncing a coin off the tightly made bed. I do care about safe, therapeutic, effective nursing care. ADL's are part of it. At my hospital we do more of this than floor nurses who have up to five patients and nursing assistants assistance.

    Just my $0.02.

    PS:
    I asked for a CRNA for a recent outpatient procedure. He was abrupt and businesslike. Do I care?
    No. I wanted to wake up with all my marbles. I did and thank him.
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    Quote from HannitizeYou
    Teiladay was just making a comment on how most men don't particularly like bedside nursing. He makes some generalizations true, but I agree with him to a certain degree. As a whole most men dont particularly enjoy cleaning up defectant, performing bed baths, making the beds, etc - In nursing it seems as though you cant give your honest opinion without some academic type jumping down your throat about not being "sensitive". I mean if you don't like to do those things, its your perogative. I am assuming that the reason why someone who doesn't like to do those things does them is because it is their job and they are getting paid, in absence of the later fact I dont believe many men would volunteer to change sheets, creating perfect little corners in the process while simultaneously give the "perfect bed bath". In my opinion, bedside nursing is more of a feminine type of field - more of a "caregiver" type of thing. Traditionally the caregiver throughout time has always been the woman. Maybe it is the same thing for Gay Males, I dont know because I am not gay. As a 100% straight male, and proud straight male btw, I can understand where Teiladay is coming from. I mean I don't agree with everything he says, but I do agree with a large portion of it.

    Sean
    To say sexual orientation has anything to do with caregiver roles, feminity, etc. is wrong. Try not to make such judgements when you haven't the "homosexual experience" to back up your suppositions.

    Furthermore, whether a bedside nurse or CRNA, we are all still nurses. We took that obligation and role, if you will, when we "signed up" for this profession. Those of us who are CRNAs have done our time at the bedside, and those of us who are bedside nurses enjoy what we do. I venture to say our female counterparts do not enjoy cleaning excrement either (please speak up), and your belief they do again shows your ignorance (since you are 100% male and haven't any experience as a female, true?).

    Generalizations and stereotypes crack me up. I don't enjoy poop, but I love ICU nursing. I, too, like anesthesia. I happen to be homosexual, but not feminine. Are there coincedences among any of these trends? Sure. Any relationship to my gender and orientation and being a caregiver? Nope. They are purely coincedental. As CRNAs, SRNAs, and those interested in the specialty, let's base our info on fact and not what we think is the case. Fact: a greater percentage of men are in anesthesia than in the traditional bedside role. Our motivations vary. Period.
    Last edit by Tweety on Aug 27, '07 : Reason: flame removed
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    Quote from DIGNOUT
    Generalizations and stereotypes crack me up. I don't enjoy poop, but I love ICU nursing. I, too, like anesthesia. I happen to be homosexual, but not feminine. Are there coincedences among any of these trends? Sure. Any relationship to my gender and orientation and being a caregiver? Nope. They are purely coincedental.
    If one has an abnormal mental, state because of which he chooses the opposite of every normal man on the planet, does that make him crazy?

    If so, should his opinion of himself and the world around him hold any value to us?

    So, If a crazy man does not know he is crazy, then does acknowledging that you are crazy make you sane?

    Enough said...
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    Quote from JayBigger
    If one has an abnormal mental, state because of which he chooses the opposite of every normal man on the planet, does that make him crazy?
    If so, should his opinion of himself and the world around him hold any value to us?

    So, If a crazy man does not know he is crazy, then does acknowledging that you are crazy make you sane?


    Enough said...
    Your about 4 years late
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