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| No. 20 | 
Jul 08, 2009, 07:27 PM
 Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD Originally Posted by PageRespiratory!  >
That he doesn't think his kids have what it takes to become an anesthesiologist.
And that CRNA school is easy?
Let's ask the CRNAs what they think about THAT.
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Jul 08, 2009, 09:27 PM
Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD And that CRNA school is easy?
Let's ask the CRNAs what they think about THAT.
Good lord, where did I say that in my post? Did you actually read it before posting?
CRNA school is difficult for sure. No need to get hypersensitive about it.
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Jul 11, 2009, 10:48 AM
Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD Originally Posted by tfleuter I've only heard this second hand but....
the hours are tough to beat. So, not only will you need to attend quite a bit more schooling, but the competition for anesthesiology is intense as well.
competition goes up and down as the perception for income goes up and down. 10-15 years ago residency slots in anesthesia went unfilled because the perception was that the income was going down. I think that is going to happen again as changes in health care unfold. As for the hours, if you are in an outpatient surgery center, maybe they "are tough to beat", but in the rest of the world they are long. Need to cover the obvious things like trauma, OB, emergency appy's etc, but also need to cover the evenings when the surgeons are done at the outpatient surgery center, and need to do the inpatient cases late in the day after the outpatient center closes. This does seem to be a shock to some of the new anesthesiologists, they are unhappy with the number of days they are there until 6, 8, or 9 pm. And that's not on the Call days, I've often wondered to myself "what did they expect", but maybe they had the same expectation as you have of the hours.
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Jul 11, 2009, 02:00 PM
Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD Originally Posted by loveanesthesia As for the hours, if you are in an outpatient surgery center, maybe they "are tough to beat", but in the rest of the world they are long. Need to cover the obvious things like trauma, OB, emergency appy's etc, but also need to cover the evenings when the surgeons are done at the outpatient surgery center, and need to do the inpatient cases late in the day after the outpatient center closes. This does seem to be a shock to some of the new anesthesiologists, they are unhappy with the number of days they are there until 6, 8, or 9 pm. And that's not on the Call days, I've often wondered to myself "what did they expect", but maybe they had the same expectation as you have of the hours. Yes. My father was an anesthesiologist. For most of my life (until he retired in his 70s), he was at the hospital before 7a, gave anesthesia 7-3 (roughly), then made his rounds on follow-ups and the next day's cases. He typically got home some time around 6 PM. Once he was home, it was v. common for him to be called in for emergency surgery during the evening and/or in the middle of the night (and, in that case, he still had to be at the hospital at the regular time in the morning for his scheduled cases). Then there were the weekends on call. It was not a "cushy" job by any stretch of the imagination. I still marvel that he did this without complaints for decades ...
| | No. 25 |
Jul 31, 2009, 08:45 PM
Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD Originally Posted by PageRespiratory! >
That he doesn't think his kids have what it takes to become an anesthesiologist.
That is wrong... and actually pretty darn rude. We here at All Nurses.com are not rude to other nurses. If you are here as a Doc or RT please respect our site.
My neighbor is an anesthesiologist. I am a CRNA. He tells his daughter to become a CRNA. His reasons are partly because we have a life. We do not have $120,000 in education loans to repay. We work relatively sane shifts. We are respected in our field. We make decent money. What more could a father ask for? He is feeling the pressures of poor medicare reimbursement, of insurance companies failing to pay his full fees, of socialized medicine circling the wagons. What will happen to all of those doctors who went through all of that schooling, pain, hardship and money when nObama takes away their livelyhood?????
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Aug 01, 2009, 08:55 AM
Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD Originally Posted by Qwiigley That is wrong... and actually pretty darn rude. We here at All Nurses.com are not rude to other nurses. If you are here as a Doc or RT please respect our site.
My neighbor is an anesthesiologist. I am a CRNA. He tells his daughter to become a CRNA. His reasons are partly because we have a life. We do not have $120,000 in education loans to repay. We work relatively sane shifts. We are respected in our field. We make decent money. What more could a father ask for? He is feeling the pressures of poor medicare reimbursement, of insurance companies failing to pay his full fees, of socialized medicine circling the wagons. What will happen to all of those doctors who went through all of that schooling, pain, hardship and money when nObama takes away their livelyhood?????
You know what I consider rude? CRNA's testifying under oath to prevent legislation for licensure of other mid-level anesthesia providers. Many people consider that beyond rude, some people consider it perjury. I do respect this site, thats why I post here. Why don't you respect me (and other non-nurse practitioners) and advocate for AA's?
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Aug 01, 2009, 02:53 PM
Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD Originally Posted by PageRespiratory! You know what I consider rude? CRNA's testifying under oath to prevent legislation for licensure of other mid-level anesthesia providers. Many people consider that beyond rude, some people consider it perjury. I do respect this site, thats why I post here. Why don't you respect me (and other non-nurse practitioners) and advocate for AA's?
What has that got to do with the price of tea in China???? This is a totally different discussion.
If you are interested in my personal opinion on AA, please refer to the latest AA blog.
PS: why would I ADVOCATE for someone who does NOT have necessarily have any degree in any type of medicine, who may very well have had a degree in Childhood Education and decided to do anesthesia now. Sounds like fun, dont'cha think?
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Aug 01, 2009, 07:15 PM
Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD Originally Posted by Qwiigley [/b]
What has that got to do with the price of tea in China???? This is a totally different discussion.
If you are interested in my personal opinion on AA, please refer to the latest AA blog.
PS: why would I ADVOCATE for someone who does NOT have necessarily have any degree in any type of medicine, who may very well have had a degree in Childhood Education and decided to do anesthesia now. Sounds like fun, dont'cha think?
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It is quite frustrating for someone like me, who is extremely well qualified to learn non - physician provided anesthesia, to be impeded (in part) by a bully lobby. Why should I have to retrogress to nursing school in order to have a shot at anesthesia school? Anecdotally - There are 3 anesthesiologists and one CRNA at the hospital where I work, he is nothing short of brilliant, and does his job exceptionally. I've assisted him in the OR on a few occasians, and over the years gotten to know him fairly well. One day while sitting at lunch I asked him about AA's. He gave me a rank/file/serial number answer shoved down his throat by his professioanl organization. I also have noticed he never introduces himself to a Pt as a nurse anesthesist...it's always "I'm one of the anesthesisits here at xxx hospital". You know why? Because in his mind he equates himself with a physician, and he'd like the Pt to as well. We are a non profit hospital and are required to make the top salary's public info. The CRNA made the same as 2 other anesthesiologists, by your own logic (see above) this should not happen. BTW - he made well over 200K, works Mon thru Thurs, takes call one week a month and is off one week a month. And that, in a nutshell, is why the nurse anesthesist agenda wants to continue monopolizing the mid level anesthesia provider arena, all the while hiding behind a weak "Pt. safety" argument. You're correct in the sense that this discussion has zilch to do with the OP, but c'mon.....do you honestly think that the statement "I'm trying do decide whether to become an MD anesthesiologist or a CRNA" isn't a loaded one???
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Aug 02, 2009, 11:19 AM
Re: CRNA VS anesthesiologist MD Originally Posted by PageRespiratory! >
It is quite frustrating for someone like me, who is extremely well qualified to learn non - physician provided anesthesia, to be impeded (in part) by a bully lobby. Why should I have to retrogress to nursing school in order to have a shot at anesthesia school? Anecdotally - There are 3 anesthesiologists and one CRNA at the hospital where I work, he is nothing short of brilliant, and does his job exceptionally. I've assisted him in the OR on a few occasians, and over the years gotten to know him fairly well. One day while sitting at lunch I asked him about AA's. He gave me a rank/file/serial number answer shoved down his throat by his professioanl organization. I also have noticed he never introduces himself to a Pt as a nurse anesthesist...it's always "I'm one of the anesthesisits here at xxx hospital". You know why? Because in his mind he equates himself with a physician, and he'd like the Pt to as well. We are a non profit hospital and are required to make the top salary's public info. The CRNA made the same as 2 other anesthesiologists, by your own logic (see above) this should not happen. BTW - he made well over 200K, works Mon thru Thurs, takes call one week a month and is off one week a month. And that, in a nutshell, is why the nurse anesthesist agenda wants to continue monopolizing the mid level anesthesia provider arena, all the while hiding behind a weak "Pt. safety" argument. You're correct in the sense that this discussion has zilch to do with the OP, but c'mon.....do you honestly think that the statement "I'm trying do decide whether to become an MD anesthesiologist or a CRNA" isn't a loaded one???
I have made my decision on this whole deal, I have talked to a few MD anesthesiologist and 2 CRNAs. I am a people person, and from what the MDs have told me nurses and MDs look at a patient. Accord to the MDs they focus more on the illness while nurses focus more on the patient in a whole. Which has led me to decide to go for CRNA. Money isn't an issue, I know people hear that and say I am full of it, But I really am not.
The reason why I asked this question was because my ex-fiance's mother would pay 100% of my tuition, book, room and board etc if I became a doctor, including a 10,000 a month salary while in school. If I go nursing, I pay for everything myself. So yes it was a hard decision, but wouldn't you think that if money was my main concern I would be pre-med right now instead of Nursing?
So CRNA it is!
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