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Aug 05, 2009 10:15 PM

CRNA supervision by anesthia MD

by darne20

In basic term, can anyone tell me how closely a CNRA has to be supervised by the anesthesia MD in charge; or put another way, is it usual practice to have one anesthesia MD supervising more than one CRNA doing a case at the same time? thanks


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from wake9909
Old Aug 06, 2009, 01:49 AM

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CRNAs are board-certified to practice independently. The degree of MD supervision is facility-specific only; in other words, although CRNAs can and do practice 100% independently in many settings, specific facilities may require Anesthesiologist supervision based on their own policies or level of compensation.
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Old Aug 06, 2009, 07:58 AM

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The CRNA NEVER has to be supervised byan anesthesiologist, by law. Hospital bylaws may require it but ratios and conditions vary. The customary levels are the CMS regulations they however are ONLY for billing CMS and have no force of law in themselves, it is custom that usually drives these staffing and superviory ratios.
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from subee
Old Aug 06, 2009, 05:04 PM

Default Re: CRNA supervision by anesthia MD
Originally Posted by darne20 View Post
In basic term, can anyone tell me how closely a CNRA has to be supervised by the anesthesia MD in charge; or put another way, is it usual practice to have one anesthesia MD supervising more than one CRNA doing a case at the same time? thanks
For us: outpatient 1:3. Inpatient 1:3 or 1:2 depending on patient complexity. Tertiary care center.
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from reded
Old Aug 06, 2009, 05:46 PM

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CRNAs can practice independently etc,etc,etc. The bottom line is my experience over the last 23 years is supervision by an MD everywhere I worked except for Haiti and Guyana. Sometimes it's one on one sometimes it's three on one. Sometimes they're there for induction often they're not. It depends on how busy things are and they're confidence in you abilities to work alone. It would be nice if they would see the next patient if you are in a busy room. Often you see the patient, tell the attending about them and do the case with the attending available if needed. My experience has been in NYC and suburbs. I've gamed the system schedule-wise my entire career and that would be less likely were I some sort of independent practitioner. It's also nice to walk out of work at the end of the day and not have to worry about the bussiness end. Hard work and lifestyle is my credo. ED
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Old Aug 06, 2009, 06:19 PM

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Supervision is a billing arrangement, and in this arrangement it is common for a MDA to supervise 2-4 CRNAs. It is also common that a CRNA is not supervised.
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from darne20
Old Aug 07, 2009, 08:08 PM

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Thanks for the replies. If the surgeon agrees that the anesthesia will be performed by an anesthesia MD (because of patient request), is this a problem if agreed to in advance?
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Old Aug 08, 2009, 08:49 AM

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No other then dragging a "supervising" anesthesiologist out of the lounge
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from TXCRNA
Old Aug 08, 2009, 09:58 AM

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Its not a problem if the pt wants a MD. As long as the facility has anesthesiologists and if staffing permits. If its at a facility w/ anesthesia care team ( an MD supervising 2-4 CRNAs) staffing may be too limited to permit an MD being in one room. That would leave several rooms/cases now w/o a MD to supervise & the facility may not have another MD to staff the now unstaffed rooms. When this occurs @ my facilty the case is usually delayed until staff is available (Which could be hours. Work @ a busy private practice) or case may be cancelled til another day. Or staffing could permit--then case goes forward w/ no delays.
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from darne20
Old Aug 09, 2009, 01:53 PM

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Thanks, that's what I needed to know. I recently had surgery and there was an anesthesia problem; the surgeon suggested that I should make sure that I have a anesthesiologist when we reschedule not a CRNA like we had the first time. I'm guessing that an anesthesiologist could have made the same error that the CRNA made.
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