CRNA Debate from www.studentdoctor.net - page 3

hey guys, it's me again! this is a debate that is going on in the resident forum of www.studentdoctor.net . brett the poster is listed above his\her comment ... Read More

  1. by   jfpruitt
    that was my question, is all MDs(not just MDAs) arrogant A@@holes??? If so, I'm glad I didnt go to med school....
  2. by   meandragonbrett
    Some are and some aren't. Surgeons are notiorious for being arrogant. There are some docs that the nurses love. There's one doc at my hospital that gave his pt the pre-op meds becuase we were running way behind schedule. Gave the meds he ordered to help speed things up. You don't hear of that too often. He's a very well known surgeon and everybody loves him. He does things like that all the time.

    BRett
  3. by   nilepoc
    Well I don't know how many of you read my blog, but I had originally intended not to participate in the the derisive and vetupritive discussions going on at studentdoctors.net. I just couldn't let their hatred of nurses slide however and posted the following. Lets see if they bother to reply.

    A few quick facts for those of you that are basing your opinions on the Pennsylvania study.

    The title of the paper was changed from "Do Nurse Anesthetists Need Medical Direction by Anesthesiologists" (1998; 89:A1184), (this was the title while the paper was only an abstract), and was later changed to "Anesthesiologist Direction and Patient Outcomes" (2000; 93:152-163). Interesting thing is, everyone that dislikes the practice of CRNA's loves to quote the abstract title, and not refer to the real paper. Do a search on the net you will find that the references are rampant. I found one in my own hospitals anesthesia news letter stating that the shiza was going to hit the fan for CRNA's after the publication of this data.

    In reality, the paper was found to have holes in its data collection techniques, that even the authors admit put the value of the data into question. This alone would make the paper not the best reference when challenging the safety and efficacy of CRNA and MDA anesthetic administration.

    For a view that you are sure to call slanted, see the following URL:

    http://aana.com/patients/hcfa/pastudy.asp

    If you take the time to actually read the information at this link, I would be interested to hear you take on it. Please do not just respond with more ASA FUD (FUD fear, uncertainty, and doubt, a practice Microsoft regularly uses to scare the public, apparently it works for the ASA also).
    I am not entirely sure where I stand on the supervision issue, as I see good points from both sides, but I do feel that there is plenty of room in the foreseeable future for both styles of practitioner. Where I do have an issue, is with AA's, if you want to talk about lack of education, lets address their practice.

    BTW, I really wish that I could be one of the nurses that gets the pleasure of working with the individuals that state nurses are stupid. As I would love to hang you out to dry, when you gave me an order that is not in the patients best interest. As stated earlier, healthcare is a teamwork intensive activity. You either play with the team, or have one hell of an uphill battle getting your job done. Patients come to the hospital for nursing care primarily; otherwise there is no reason for a patient to come to the hospital. If you did not need nurses, you would have done your magic in the clinic and sent the patient home.
  4. by   joeyrigor
    Originally posted by nilepoc
    Well I don't know how many of you read my blog, but I had originally intended not to participate in the the derisive and vetupritive discussions going on at studentdoctors.net. I just couldn't let their hatred of nurses slide however and posted the following. Lets see if they bother to reply.
    I've read your response on the studentdoctor forum. I must agree with your first instinct not to reply and participate in this on-going 'discussion' as the whole thing smacks of pure adolescent idealism and lacks the refinement one would expect from a future health pro.

    One could only assume from the language and content being thrown around by these 'student doctors' is that the future prestige and privilege of becoming an MD will be further eroded. Which leads me to my next point - perhaps we should thank these 'fine examples' as this is exactly the scenario which gave (and continues to) give nurses/CRNA's alike a bright, reputable and stable future.

    I personally see no legitimate debatable issue in that thread. The only worry I have is......will these be the same doctors who will be looking after patients well-being??????
  5. by   sikofitall
    I have read some of the comments in this section and apparently I was mistaken in thinking it was an allnurses.com bulletin board. I seemed to be seeing a lot of comments from some very ignorant and ill informed rude people posing as doctors. They must surely be imposters as "real" doctors would not waste their time argueing an issue they will never win and they know the real value of a nurse.The owners of these rude and ridiculous comments should turn off their computers and go back to watching operations on TLC. I cannot believe any CRNAs on this board lets this crap go on.
  6. by   meandragonbrett
    Originally posted by sikofitall
    I cannot believe any CRNAs on this board lets this crap go on.

    And just what do you mean by this? It's not like we can turn their BB off or anything. Also, it's not like we can blow doctors up just becuase they are stupid either. Maybe I read this statement wrong. If I did, I'm sorry please correct me but it looks as though you are a new member to the board with one post and you are blaming the CRNAs on this board for allowing something to happen that they have no control over. *No offense meant* Maybe I just didn't understand right, but that's just what it looks like.

    Brett
  7. by   jfpruitt
    Hmm..Brett this is the impression I got also, sikofitall please clarify????
  8. by   AL bug
    sikofitall,
    You apparently came in on a string of posts from another site. The posts that contain all those moron's comments are from a student docs website. They were posted here to let us see what was going on at that site. Dig back a little further before you say anything else about the site.

    I will not post on the student docs website for the reason that I can't think of a professional way to say what I think of the losers there. My greatest concern is that most of them will graduate and get to practice and make some timid nurse feel bad before an experienced nurse has the opportunity to make a fools of the egotistical jerks.
  9. by   joeyrigor
    Originally posted by sikofitall
    I have read some of the comments in this section and apparently I was mistaken in thinking it was an allnurses.com bulletin board. I seemed to be seeing a lot of comments from some very ignorant and ill informed rude people posing as doctors. They must surely be imposters as "real" doctors would not waste their time argueing an issue they will never win and they know the real value of a nurse.The owners of these rude and ridiculous comments should turn off their computers and go back to watching operations on TLC. I cannot believe any CRNAs on this board lets this crap go on.
    I can read between the lines on your post STUDENT doc sikofital.......socially divisive comments such as yours are what contribute to this on-going unproductive debate - meantime our salaries will keep going up and yours...well.....you might have to settle for a mini bus instead of the beamer for you and your 'so-called' student doctor colleagues (to help you move around to your classes in style).

    Fortunately, for the majority of MD's, who are very good at what they do, value teamwork and have a genuine respect for other people, be it patients or co-workers alike. The shortage of good MDs will be due to you and the lot like you who will not make the grade and will NOT graduate....I'm sure you'll make a good AA though as I have grave doubts about your ability to become a nurse.

    Your welcome to discuss issues should you wish to do so as long as you conduct yourself with the respect and zeal a future MD would adopt. But 'Stupid nurse' comments will not serve you well on a BB, at work or at home.
  10. by   joeyrigor
    Originally posted by sikofitall
    I have read some of the comments in this section and apparently I was mistaken in thinking it was an allnurses.com bulletin board. I seemed to be seeing a lot of comments from some very ignorant and ill informed rude people posing as doctors. They must surely be imposters as "real" doctors would not waste their time argueing an issue they will never win and they know the real value of a nurse.The owners of these rude and ridiculous comments should turn off their computers and go back to watching operations on TLC. I cannot believe any CRNAs on this board lets this crap go on.
    Sikofitall:

    * Grammar and spelling DO COUNT in medicine. Pls try to focus and concentrate.
    * The only 'IMPOSTER' 'ARGUEING' is you, teen pseudo-doc wannabe.

    Ask yourself a question: Would by own colleagues accept me?

    Future jobs for you: (Courtesy of Student Nurse from Down Under)

    1. AA or Vet (no people skills required, although Vets might have a problem with you)
    2. White Supremacist Action Group Team Laader
    3. Lawyer (So you can get your beamer back)
    4. Malpractice Insurance assessor (So you can rub shoulders with the elite)
    5. Combined pensioner/med student status as it will take you that long to graduate and you can be proud to say that an MD NOW takes 40 years of education instead of the 2 that CRNAs are required to take.

    There you go, congratulations, you've WON the debate! Now piss off!
  11. by   SambvcaSim
    WOW! What is going on here???

    Last edit by SambvcaSim on May 23, '02
  12. by   sikofitall
    First, understand no offense was meant to anyone. My point was quite obviously missed badly. So, let me try to dig out of this one, if I can. I was responding to the initial post containing all the comments of the many ill informed RESIDENTS presumably. What was the point of posting these comments from another board other than to arouse the readers ire and distain for these jerks.It keeps the fight going because we ( ME ) take the bait and jump into the fray. Much of what was posted after that post is sensible and true. I am well aware of all issues involved in the CRNA v. MD battle as many of my friends are CRNAs. I too am in the healthcare field and certainly am no punk-ass MD trainee. What I meant by my last comment of taking their crap is that without CRNAs they could not function and generate near the volume of work that is done. They don't want to work and they want CRNAs to be subservient to them as in the world of bedside nursing in general. This attitude has to change and only the CRNA is in the position to do it. I hope this helps. Don't normally come on this strong but that "dumb nurse" stuff reved me up a bit
  13. by   meandragonbrett
    I can freaking post anything I like, and if you don't want to read it you don't have to. Nobody's forcing you to read it.

    Brett

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