Combat Anesthesia

  1. A good read for those interested.

    http://www.gaspasser.com/CRNAinIraq.html
    Last edit by gotosleep on Aug 14, '03
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  2. 6 Comments

  3. by   Maximus
    This is what needs to be considered by all the people on the board who are considering the military. Not how much they pay for school, the benefits, and so on, but the fact that this is what the military does, even CRNAs.

    I was considering having the military pay for CRNA school until recently. The goals and polocies of our foreign policy have changed dramatically in the last two years. The ideologies of the neo-conservatives like preemption were considered extremist a decade ago, now they are being practiced. People should really read the literature of the neoconservatives. It is noting short of world-domination. It includes always preventing another world power from forming to rival the US, having a very powerful military that can also serve as the military protection for our allies so they can focus on commerce with us, and always attacking a threat before it really materializes. This is not defense. This is strongly exerting our influence abroad by military means. Imagine if China or Russia adopted the policy of preemption to attack its enemies, or if most other countries followed our example and used this philosophy. We are talking war everywhere.

    To most arabs and most people in the world, we invaded Iraq and have occupied the country, and done so unjustly. Where are these weapons and if there are some how could they hurt us so bad on the other side of the world. This is the way our military is going to be used in the future. We have to remember that the hijackers on 9/11 used box cutters, hate, and a little ingenuity to cause tragedy. How does the operation in this article defend against that. A much better defense focuses within our own borders and building good will among others in the world. Nope, I'll never serve under people like Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld or Assistant Secretary of Defense Wolfawitz.

    One of the arguments used to justify casualties of war is that we have an all volunteer military. Our soilders all sign up knowing that they may die or be cripled in battle, therefore they are consenting to this kind of loss of life. This is true, but it is based on the person enlisted really considering that they are willing to give their life if necessary and that they agree with what they are giving their life for. In the near future this means attacking countries before it is clear that they are a threat to us, that is the doctrine of preemption. It will backfire on us someday. Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave.
  4. by   Athlein
    Thanks for the link, gotosleep. Great article!

    You were considering having the military pay for your CRNA program, Maximus? Are you serious?

    Semper fi, y'all.
  5. by   hobbes
    Originally posted by Athlein

    You were considering having the military pay for your CRNA program, Maximus? Are you serious?

    Semper fi, y'all.
    Of course he was serious as was I when I first considered it and before I started to think of the ultimate ramifications. There is a thread in the group about this very topic. I agree with most of the points he makes and won't willingly be a pawn when we have nimwits in control...As far as the article goes, I actually found it quite interesting and enlightening to see what CRNA's in the military actually do.
  6. by   dreamon
    Thanks for the article gotosleep...a real eye opener on army obligations!
  7. by   gotosleep
    Originally posted by Maximus
    This is what needs to be considered by all the people on the board who are considering the military. Not how much they pay for school, the benefits, and so on, but the fact that this is what the military does, even CRNAs.

    I was considering having the military pay for CRNA school until recently. The goals and polocies of our foreign policy have changed dramatically in the last two years. The ideologies of the neo-conservatives like preemption were considered extremist a decade ago, now they are being practiced. People should really read the literature of the neoconservatives. It is noting short of world-domination. It includes always preventing another world power from forming to rival the US, having a very powerful military that can also serve as the military protection for our allies so they can focus on commerce with us, and always attacking a threat before it really materializes. This is not defense. This is strongly exerting our influence abroad by military means. Imagine if China or Russia adopted the policy of preemption to attack its enemies, or if most other countries followed our example and used this philosophy. We are talking war everywhere.

    To most arabs and most people in the world, we invaded Iraq and have occupied the country, and done so unjustly. Where are these weapons and if there are some how could they hurt us so bad on the other side of the world. This is the way our military is going to be used in the future. We have to remember that the hijackers on 9/11 used box cutters, hate, and a little ingenuity to cause tragedy. How does the operation in this article defend against that. A much better defense focuses within our own borders and building good will among others in the world. Nope, I'll never serve under people like Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld or Assistant Secretary of Defense Wolfawitz.

    One of the arguments used to justify casualties of war is that we have an all volunteer military. Our soilders all sign up knowing that they may die or be cripled in battle, therefore they are consenting to this kind of loss of life. This is true, but it is based on the person enlisted really considering that they are willing to give their life if necessary and that they agree with what they are giving their life for. In the near future this means attacking countries before it is clear that they are a threat to us, that is the doctrine of preemption. It will backfire on us someday. Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave.
    Thanks for the dissertation.

    I am a reserve SRNA, and I am not a bit surprised by the content of this article. For me, joining the military was not just solely about money and educational benefits. I agree, the military is not a place the self-centered and avarice. Nothing is free my friends, including your freedom.
  8. by   gaspassah
    this is not really the forum for political views. if you dont like the military dont join, i however feel that capt joyce has done honor for himself his family and his country. i am 90 percent ready to join the reserves to pay for crna school. not just for the money but to do service for my country. whether i fully believe in what any administration has to offer. i would rather die in combat for an ideal and a belief in something greater than myself than for someone who lied to the american people, a grand jury, and his friends (i smoked pot but didnt inhale) ie i lied to my friends and pretended to smoke pot so they would accept me or i smoked pot and lied to the american people about. although it doesnt matter to me one bit whether he did or didnt, its an honesty thing. and yeah i know that they all lie at one time or another.

    some people are willing to sacrifice because god and country are bigger than themselves.
    some people are happy that other people are willing to sacrifice for them so they dont have to .
    my utmost respect goes out to people in uniform who sacrifice so i can lay my head in peace and enjoy the freedoms our country has to offer, and allows us to say the things feel without fear of retribution.
    kudos to capt joyce and everyone like him.

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