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Apr 08, 2006 10:18 PM

Articles like this that anger CRNAs

by MmacFN

Ok

So in a quest to learn more about my future profession, ive been doing alot of research.

http://nursing.fiu.edu/anesthesiolog.../Abenstein.pdf

This appears to be exactly the type of article that creates division and anger in the CRNA/MDA relationship. Written by MDAs, this article does an excellent job of taking limited stats, non-statistical signifigant numbers with low N and p values, and weaving it into a "MDAs look better" proposition. They say it over and over again then add reality here and there with "but the numbers are not statistically signifigant" and " a true cross section study with N values large enough to make valid claims would be "costly and possibly unethical"". Essentially, what i see is this: We know the numbers wont bear out our claims if we do large numbers, so why not make unscientific infrences from the weak N values we have to lobby politically.

How frustrating.


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No. 1
from jenniek
Old Apr 09, 2006, 12:43 AM

Default Re: Articles like this that anger CRNAs
This article was written in 1996, and the statistics are from 1975 to 1990. Just with the outdated info, I won't even bother reading it.
1) you know there are MDA/CRNA issues.
2) not every facility has division of the groups.
3) the AANA and ASA will each have articles that support their own profession.
Jennie
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No. 2
from MmacFN
Old Apr 09, 2006, 01:45 AM

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does that make it any less relevant politcally? I dont think so, the thinking has not changed.
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No. 3
from rayman
Old Apr 09, 2006, 08:38 AM

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Me smells a pot that is a stirring
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No. 4
from fungirl
Old Apr 09, 2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rayman
Me smells a pot that is a stirring

And Mmac is holding the spoon once again!!!!!
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No. 5
from jenniek
Old Apr 09, 2006, 09:53 AM

Default Re: Articles like this that anger CRNAs
Originally Posted by fungirl
And Mmac is holding the spoon once again!!!!!
It's getting too predictable, isn't it?
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No. 6
from MmacFN
Old Apr 09, 2006, 10:10 AM

Default Re: Articles like this that anger CRNAs
Hey now :P

If it wasent for me the board would be dead, would you rather that? Im trying to create some contraversy in order to attract more people and increase discussion. Is that wrong? It isnt like the topics are not salient to the profession and its future.
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No. 7
Old Apr 10, 2006, 05:11 PM

Default Re: Articles like this that anger CRNAs
the word is "controversy"
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No. 8
Old Apr 10, 2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Just a CRNA
the word is "controversy"
oh boy......
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No. 9
from MmacFN
Old Apr 10, 2006, 05:18 PM

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lol

I stand corrected in a spelling error.
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