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| No. 10 | 
Apr 03, 2006, 05:28 PM
 Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground?
Georgia_AA
I like you alot. All of your posts are well written and thoughtful. Nitecap, jwk and I are all the "fire from the hip" types but you are not.
In anycase, I dont think jwk or you represent AAs in any way other than a good light. Im not a CRNA, but i stayed at a holiday inn last night. From my reading on the AA site it seems clear your association spends a good portion of its webspace comparing CRNA vs AA which suggest they advocate a more aggressive stance than you do. Thats probably why you might get some automatic assumptions about AAs from CRNA students, new CRNAs and potential CRNAs (me).
You, however, seem like a great guy (or girl) to represent the profession. Thnaks for posting. Originally Posted by georgia_aa We are not trying to close the gap. We are not in competition with you. How many times and how many different ways do you need me to say it. While the AANA has as a major agenda the abolition of AAs nationwide, the AAAA is not interested in putting a single CRNA out of work. There in a nutshell is the difference. You want me out of the OR and unable to provide for my family. I simply want the right to work in my chosen profession anywhere I want. I don't want to put a single CRNA out of work, but I should be able to compete with you for ACT practice positions. Yes, you can fill a need in the rural areas. I will NEVER compete with you for those jobs. ACT practices, on the other hand can and should hire either practitioner interchangably with supply and demand being the major driving force in the decision.
A couple of facts meant to enlighten not inflame. Four years ago there were two AA programs - the same two that had been in existence for 30 years. Now there are five programs, each of which will graduate approx 30 AAs per year. There are several others in the works at major institutions that will train similar numbers.  | | Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 11 |
Apr 03, 2006, 05:34 PM
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground? Originally Posted by MmacFN Georgia_AA
I like you alot. All of your posts are well written and thoughtful. Nitecap, jwk and I are all the "fire from the hip" types but you are not.
In anycase, I dont think jwk or you represent AAs in any way other than a good light. Im not a CRNA, but i stayed at a holiday inn last night. From my reading on the AA site it seems clear your association spends a good portion of its webspace comparing CRNA vs AA which suggest they advocate a more aggressive stance than you do. Thats probably why you might get some automatic assumptions about AAs from CRNA students, new CRNAs and potential CRNAs (me).
You, however, seem like a great guy (or girl) to represent the profession. Thnaks for posting.
I agree about their site comparing AA to CRNA's. Seems like recently they may have reduced the amount of comparisons. Just about a month ago it was all over the site though, even on the homepage. Just seems like that is what you guys promote we are just as good a CRNA's instead of really promoting what you do or how you can help provider shortages or any real data proving your claim to safety, equality or effectiveness. In other words your website really doesnt promote what you guys preach here on these forums.
Nice post Mike. I tend to be a gun slinger no diggity no doubt.
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Apr 03, 2006, 06:07 PM
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground? Originally Posted by deepz ....Yawn....
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Ahhh... Deepz. Missed you buddy, how've you been??
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Apr 03, 2006, 06:32 PM
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Apr 03, 2006 at 06:37 PM by jwk
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground? Originally Posted by Nitecap I agree about their site comparing AA to CRNA's. Seems like recently they may have reduced the amount of comparisons. Just about a month ago it was all over the site though, even on the homepage. Just seems like that is what you guys promote we are just as good a CRNA's instead of really promoting what you do or how you can help provider shortages or any real data proving your claim to safety, equality or effectiveness. In other words your website really doesnt promote what you guys preach here on these forums.
Nice post Mike. I tend to be a gun slinger no diggity no doubt.
You must be looking at "the other" websites.  Our website, the real one, is pretty straightforward about our education and qualifications, and it goes right along with what we say here. There's actually nothing on the website about CRNA's, pro or con, except to mention the review in Cleveland comparing complication rates (no difference).
The provider shortage / rural care issue is interesting all by itself. Here's where politics get dirty, and it's not our doing. We all know there is a shortage of anesthesia providers. If there wasn't, nurse anesthesia schools wouldn't be ramping up like they are (and neither would AA schools for that matter). Yet one of the first arguments thrown up in North Carolina is that there's no shortage. Really?? I just counted up more than 90 positions posted on Gaswork.com. One of those facilities needs 14 anesthetists. And what happens after a nursing lobbyist testifies under oath in the state legislature that there is no shortage of providers? They go to the committe meeting right down the hall and beg for more money for more nursing schools and more CRNA schools because, say it with me now, there's a shortage of providers. Five CRNA schools in NC - but I guess not many of their students stay around. OMG, many of them might actually be going back HOME after they finish school, wherever home might have been. And if there is no shortage, why on earth would a sixth CRNA school be proposed for NC?
You have no argument from me that there are issues with adequate rural coverage (I've addressed the Medicare favoritism to CRNA's previously so I won't rehash that). But I love it when the claim is made that "30 counties in NC don't have an anesthesiologist". Ah, but you know that little thing about "the truth, the WHOLE truth..."? Seems as though 20 of those 30 counties don't even have a hospital or a surgery center or any type of facility that could use the services of an anesthesia provider of any flavor. Similar tactics have been used in every other state where legislation was introduced.
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Apr 03, 2006, 06:55 PM
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground? Originally Posted by MmacFN Georgia_AA
I like you alot. All of your posts are well written and thoughtful. Nitecap, jwk and I are all the "fire from the hip" types but you are not.
In anycase, I dont think jwk or you represent AAs in any way other than a good light. Im not a CRNA, but i stayed at a holiday inn last night. From my reading on the AA site it seems clear your association spends a good portion of its webspace comparing CRNA vs AA which suggest they advocate a more aggressive stance than you do. Thats probably why you might get some automatic assumptions about AAs from CRNA students, new CRNAs and potential CRNAs (me).
You, however, seem like a great guy (or girl) to represent the profession. Thnaks for posting. 
Who are you and what have you done with Deepz and Swumpgas?
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Apr 03, 2006, 07:23 PM
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground?
hehehe
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Apr 03, 2006, 08:42 PM
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground?
The two websites are quite interesting. I followed a link to an adobe file that was full of serious misinformation. It claimed that CRNA grads could take the optional national certification exam. Which I guess is true... if you wanted to actually practice after graduation.
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Apr 03, 2006, 09:06 PM
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground?
[quote=georgia_aa]We are not trying to close the gap. We don't want to take over the world. How many times and how many different ways do you need me to say it. While the AANA has as a major agenda the abolition of AAs nationwide, the AAAA is not interested in putting a single CRNA out of work. There in a nutshell is the difference. You want me out of the OR and unable to provide for my family. I simply want the right to work in my chosen profession anywhere I want. I don't want to put a single CRNA out of work, but I should be able to compete with you for ACT practice positions. Yes, you can fill a need in the rural areas. I will NEVER compete with you for those jobs. ACT practices, on the other hand can and should hire either practitioner interchangably with supply and demand being the major driving force in the decision.
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I would never wish to cause someone to be unable to provide for his family. I do willfully however, help to impose the standards for anesthesia training designed by CRNA's. Why are we supposed to welcome AA's? Yes, I would like to see the abolition of all AA programs. Does the UAW welcome foreign workers? No other profession says, "Here's your competion, now play nicely together.". If you want to become an anesthetist, go to nursing school. Spend your time in the ICU. Go to CRNA school. Viola! You now have 50 state recognized credentials and are free from your legislative worries of the AA. Plus you now have the backing of 30, 000 brothers and sisters.
Since this debate is frequent, I'll put on a flame suit and say...
I did not voice any negatives about AA's. This is my opinion of CRNA preservation.
| | No. 18 |
Apr 03, 2006, 09:26 PM
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Apr 03, 2006 at 09:44 PM by jwk
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground? Originally Posted by Laughing Gas
I would never wish to cause someone to be unable to provide for his family. I do willfully however, help to impose the standards for anesthesia training designed by CRNA's.
That's fine - You're free to impose your own standards on yourself and YOUR profession. Why on earth do you think it's reasonable to impose your standards on MY profession? And have you even read the standards for my profession? They're available in the public domain, unlike the standards for CRNA programs which are hidden behind the firewall and members-only section of the AANA website. Why is that?
And BTW, those "standards" for CRNA's are a relatively new thing in the long history of CRNA's, both the one for a BSN and the year of critical care experience. And oh, I just love this, right there at the very top of the CRNA section of allnurses.com : Education: While 37 percent of the nurse anesthetists received their nurse anesthetist educational preparation through a master’s program, 58 percent received their educational preparation through a post-RN certificate.
Like Sgt. Joe Friday says - just the facts ma'am. Originally Posted by Laughing Gas Yes, I would like to see the abolition of all AA programs. Does the UAW welcome foreign workers? I'll put on a flame suit and say...
I did not voice any negatives about AA's. This is my opinion of CRNA preservation.
That's not negative? Hmmmmm
| | No. 19 |
Apr 03, 2006, 09:51 PM
Re: Is the AA profession gaining ground? Originally Posted by jwk ........That's not negative? Hmmmmm
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