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May 01, 2009 12:09 AM

Can CNMs in Utah attend homebirths?


Utah, midwives - please help me. I want to be a midwife attending primarily homebirths and center births. After something of a personal crisis I decided to pursue CNM instead of CPM, or DEM. My main reasons are 1) the government will pay for my education with this route, and 2) as a CNM I can obtain hospital privileges so that I can attend moms who decide or need to be transferred to the hospital. I've thought about eventually becoming an FNP in addition to CNM as well. Unfortunately, I recently heard that CNMs in UT don't attend homebirths - just DEMs! Is this just a trend or a statement of law?

If CNMs can attend homebirths in UT, do they follow the same rules as DEMs in the midwifery practice act, or is it different?

If they cannot attend homebirths, can they obtain CPM certification and UT licensing and practice homebirths as a CPM still, or does being a CNM completely bar them from homebirth practice?

This could affect my educational decisions over the next - oh - decade of my life a great deal, so any help would be appreciated.

I am also curious about CNMs and non-nurse midwives in Colorado. Someone said that nurses can't be LMs there? That doesn't make sense...

One last q, in what states are CNMs/NPs considered independent practitioners?

Thanks, guys!


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No. 1
Old May 02, 2009, 06:47 PM

Default Re: Can CNMs in Utah attend homebirths?
First, I would suggest going to the ACNM (American College of Nurse Midwives) web site. They have links that will take you to the information you seek re: CNM legalities in each state. You may want to also check over the Utah State Board of Nursing. They will have more detail re: what you are allowed to do and under what guidelines.

I would guess that you cannot be licensed as a CNM and practice as a CPM. You woud likely have to relinquish the CNM. Maybe someone else will have better specifics but those would be good places to begin.

Best wishes!
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from Apgar10
Old May 03, 2009, 01:52 AM

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You can be a CNM who is a CPM but the CNM trumps the scope of a licensed DEM.
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Old May 03, 2009, 10:59 PM

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Thank you, Sienna - the state fact sheet for UT at ACNM didn't list homebirth in CNM practice areas - not that that necessarily excludes it, but it's not too encouraging. I couldn't get to the state by state laws and regulations page because I'm not a paying member. The state board of licensing was far less detailed in describing CNM scope than LM and didn't mention homebirth. I'm thinking maybe the problem is that CNMs just can't find backing physicians in UT for homebirths? Still, though, don't LMs have to have a backup physician as well? I can't figure it out.

Apgar, you are saying that a CNM should be able to do anything an LDEM can?
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from Apgar10
Old May 03, 2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Amberholmestm View Post
Apgar, you are saying that a CNM should be able to do anything an LDEM can?
Well, yes because a CNM has a broader scope of practice so in theory s/he should be able to do anything a LDEM with a smaller scope can do, but you wondered....

Originally Posted by Amberholmestm View Post
...can they obtain CPM certification and UT licensing and practice homebirths as a CPM still, or does being a CNM completely bar them from homebirth practice?
A CNM can be a CPM because the CPM is a credential, not a license for practice. If a CNM (which is also a credential but states license the APNs as such) is prohibited from attending home births in Utah it doesn't matter if she has a CPM credential because her license to practice restricts her from home birth. You can't go get licensed as a CNM and then tell the state you're just going to do the things a LDEM would do and to only hold you accountable to that level of care and license. I hope I am making more sense this time around

I wasn't able to find anything here to say a CNM can't attend a home birth (http://dopl.utah.gov/licensing/certi...e_midwife.html).

Originally Posted by Amberholmestm View Post
I am also curious about CNMs and non-nurse midwives in Colorado. Someone said that nurses can't be LMs there? That doesn't make sense...
That is true. My original license to practice midwifery was as a Registered Midwife in Colorado. The law expressly prohibits doctors and nurses from also being Registered Midwives.
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Old May 04, 2009, 03:15 AM

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Thanks, Apgar. I see what you're saying about licensing.

You're right - there's certainly nothing in the state licensing law limiting the practice setting of a CNM, and the "consulting physician" doesn't need to be present or even supervisory. I'm wondering about the provision of "manage the intrapartum period according to accepted standards of nurse midwifery practice and a written practice and referral plan". It's defined as "a written plan entered into with a consulting physician and detailing guidelines by which a certified nurse midwife consults, collaborates, and refers patients." It sounds more like the CNM is sort of a distant partner to the doc, rather than someone he dictates to and takes responsibility for. So, it doesn't...sound... like a collaborating physician should be hard to find.... Of course, real life may be different.

So, yay! It sounds like CNMs are wide open for homebirths here in UT, but I don't understand why none can be found who attend them. It just seems suspicious. I guess my next step should be checking on the Utah Medical Association. I could imagine them having a standard against supporting homebirth CNMs. (I just read a paper about how concerned ACOG is with the recent legislations in many states supporting DEMs and homebirth. One of their big tiffs was that CNMs had proved fickle allies in the fight against legislation allowing DEM licensing. I was amused.) Anyway, so far things sound good, but the last thing I want would be to go all the way through nursing and grad school and find out that I can't practice where I want to.

My research will continue! I've been thinking about it, though, and I think that doing FNP and LM would be a pretty good way to go, too, even if NM doesn't work out for my particular goals. (Unless I move next door to CO, that is. It's too bad, it's a nice state. I just don't get it - it makes no sense. Who would have even thought up the idea that nurses and midwives were just not compatible w/o a graduate degree involved? A struggling CNM program, maybe?)

Thank you so much, Apgar. You are a wonderful resource. Will you tell me more about yourself? You live in CA, right? Where? Tell me the story about your call to midwifery. You too, Senna. What is your background?
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from Apgar10
Old May 04, 2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Amberholmestm View Post
It sounds like CNMs are wide open for homebirths here in UT, but I don't understand why none can be found who attend them. It just seems suspicious. I guess my next step should be checking on the Utah Medical Association.
You will be better off contacting the Utah chapter of ACNM to get the answers quickly about whether or not CNMs attend home birth, what the reality of collaboration with a physician means. Call any CNM in the phone book and ask how to contact the chapter secretary or president and go from there.

Originally Posted by Amberholmestm View Post
(Unless I move next door to CO, that is. It's too bad, it's a nice state. I just don't get it - it makes no sense. Who would have even thought up the idea that nurses and midwives were just not compatible w/o a graduate degree involved? A struggling CNM program, maybe?)
It goes back to when the negotiations for a direct-entry law were being made. The board of nursing would support the bill only if the law excluded nurses from also being DEMs, unless they were CNMs and then under their board. Many nurses dropped their licenses in favor of being a registered midwife and many midwives gave up the idea to be a DEM and either stuck with nursing or went on to become CNMs. I don't believe the U of CO's nurse-midwifery program figured into it but the old 'uneducated direct-entry midwives bury dead babies in the backyard' card was played many times in the legislature.

Originally Posted by Amberholmestm View Post
Thank you so much, Apgar. You are a wonderful resource. Will you tell me more about yourself? You live in CA, right? Where? Tell me the story about your call to midwifery. You too, Senna. What is your background?
I gotta run now... I'll try and remember to do this later
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No. 7
Old May 07, 2009, 04:38 PM

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Hooray! I've found a CNM in Utah who attends homebirths. It's amazing how hard I had to look to find her, though. I'll be getting in touch with her. Thanks!
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