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Jan 23, 2009 05:09 PM

salary with experience

by liton

I am working in Toronto. It's my first job in Canada. When I started several months ago, Human Resource accepted my experience in my home country. It's totally 20month, means 1year+ 8months. So salary go up to 28.08/hr. Now 4 months passed. I thought it's my 2 years. The salary should go up to 28.55/hr. But the payroll didn't change anything. When I talked to HR. She said they only accept th whole year, so they ignored that 8 months. I asked my colleague who is native of Canada when they change the job if it's not exactly the whole year,how the next hospital deal with it. She said they only see hours. But according to hours, in the last 20 months I already worked over 2 years' hours because my home country always overtime. It shows on that reference letter.What can I do now? Please help me! I only have to accept the result or discuss with them again? I will really appreciate your help. Thank you!


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No. 1
from janfrn
Old Jan 23, 2009, 05:32 PM

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I suppose it might come down to how your experience was quantified in the documentation you provided. Canadian employers would report hours worked and the hiring employer would then divide those hours by what is considered to be full time in their organization. (For example, in one health region in Alberta, full time is 37.5 hours per week or 1950 hours in a year. But the region where I work counts full time as 38.75 hours per week, 2015 per year.) But if your experience was reported as full time from January 1, 2000 to August 31, 2002, there would be some question as to exactly what that means. And you know they're going to choose the route that causes them to pay you the least they can get away with. I suggest you make an appointment to speak to someone in Human Resources and ask them to show you their written policy on portability of experience, and to show you the documentation they're basing yours on. If there's a written policy that they only count completed years, then you're basically stuck. If there isn't you will have some grounds to contest it. I would also suggest you speak to someone at your union local office and get their feedback. That's what they're there for.
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from liton
Old Jan 23, 2009, 05:45 PM

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My hospital doesn't have union for RN. But they pay consistent with union. If they admit my 8 months, it's really easy to change the salary because our hospital is small. And the money is not more for employer, just little for a hospital. Anyway, it broke my heart. Thank you for replying.
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from Fiona59
Old Jan 24, 2009, 01:12 PM

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Just want to add that under some union contracts, overtime worked is NOT included in the total for hours worked towards salary step increases.
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No. 4
from janfrn
Old Jan 24, 2009, 02:19 PM

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You're quite right Fiona59. I think most union contracts don't count OT for wage increases, vacation accrual or seniority. Manitoba does but I think they're the only one.

liton, without a union contract or any other sort of signed contractual arrangement I'm afraid your employer can totally make it all up as they go along. When it all comes down to a "he said - she said" verbal agreement, the labour relations boards will usually side with the employer. And in Alberta, even when it IS written down in unambiguous language, the labour board will "interpret" in favour of the employer 99% of the time. I'm sorry but I think you're not going to get your raise until you've worked for them for a full year.
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No. 5
from liton
Old Jan 26, 2009, 01:03 PM

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Thank you, Janfrn and Fiona59. I communicated to HR. The answer is for full time nurse, we only consider whole year not working hours. Your overtime working hours cannot be accumulated equal to working years. And HR said since there's more than 2 years between you left your last job and started this job. I should have not give you any credit. Is that mean I should start as new graduate? Plus I took nursing course in these 2 years. I cannot understand. If some mom return to work 2 years later then she has to lose all the working experience. I only have to accept this result now.
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No. 6
from janfrn
Old Jan 26, 2009, 01:14 PM

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For the purposes of placement on the pay scale, taking courses wouldn't count unless you were already employed by your employer, and maybe not even then, since you're not unionized.

The working mom you mentioned would only be given credit for her previous experience if it was with the same employer most likely, unless she was on a disability leave or some other formal long-term leave of absence.

There are definitely pitfalls to changing jobs. I'm afraid you're going to have to accept things as they are. They're paying you more than they believe they should according to their policies, so hopefully they won't decide to roll your pay back and claw back any overpayment they might think you've been getting. That would be even worse than just going with things the way they are. I'm very sorry this happened to you and I hope others how read your story will be very careful when they accept new jobs.
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No. 7
from liton
Old Jan 26, 2009, 01:23 PM

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Thank you for replying so quickly. I said I took nursing course mean I am not away from nursing career in these 2 years. It has no relationship with working hours. I always thought working experience is easy to calculate. Now I find it's not easily to be accept when you change job.
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No. 8
from janfrn
Old Jan 26, 2009, 01:33 PM

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Yes, unfortunately attending school to upgrade your education isn't counted as work experience, even if it's a nursing programme. The nurses from the Philippines are finding this out now as they try to work their way through the Canadian assessment minefield.
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No. 9
Old May 03, 2009, 02:27 AM

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Interested in relocating to Canada. Don't have a problem with the pay since I think they will have to give me the top level. However, what about vacation? I note the contracts talk about years of service. Does that mean if I have been an RN for 25 years I will receive that year of service vacation or would I have to spend that 25 years within that hospital system?

Thoughts?

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