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Jan 26, 2008 10:39 PM

Please, need specifics to be RN in Montreal!


Hi, everybody!
I'm new to this wonderful forum. I'd like to begin my first post with expressing my gratitude and admiration to everyone who's shared their opinions and expertise here!
Presently, I have two specific questions. First, my situation: I'm a newly licensed RN in Boston, Mass. with no RN-work experience in US or Canada. I've a nursing diploma and 2,5 years of work experience from Russia. I need to get an RN job in Montreal, Quebec. Right now I'm actively involved in the process of: a) getting a job offer from a Montreal hospital; b) applying for a Canadian work permit; c) applying to the Order of Nurses in Quebec (OIIQ).
Questions:
1) Application process to OIIQ: could someone who's already went through it possibly give me a brief step-by-step description of this process and how long each step takes? I don't mean the requirements, fees, exams, etc. - they're outlined on OIIQ's website. What I'm talking about is what forms they send, what docs they request, how long they process your application, do they ask for everything at the beginning, or they have a time-frame for each mailing, etc. I'm particularly interested in how they check the equivalence of your nursing education. See, mine is from 3 different schools. 2 of those are in US, and I don't see any problems with them. But I received most of my nursing schooling and work experience in Russia, and I'm very interested to know how OIIQ is going to check those. Do they match the info in your application with their database? Or, do they expect you to provide some official letters from all your schools with your application? Or - the worst scenario - do they contact your school directly and expect them to answer by fax or mail directly back to OIIQ? See, recently I had to go through that last situation with CGFNS before I received my US RN license, and it turned into a year of bureaucratic hell because the Russian side kept ignoring official requests from the American organization. God, I really don't want to go through that again. Please, tell me what's the process like?
2) Do you have any advice about any of the English-speaking hospitals in Montreal? My everyday French is OK and is getting better, but my medical French is non-existent, and I dread the thought of having to work in a French-speaking medical environment (I'm currently watching "ER" with French subtitles - nothing's the same!). OIIQ told me that since I have 4 years of college French education I may be exempt from their French test - whew!
So, what's the best place where a trilingual young nurse with a US RN license but no US or Canadian experience would receive the most support, guidance, and professional growth opportunities? I got a list of all English-speaking hospitals in MTL. I've been checking them on the Web (whatever little info is there), and so far, Jewish General Hospital has appealed to me the most. What's your opinion? And how should I approach the hospital where I'd like to work? I understand it's similar to the US hospitals. But here in US I'm a citizen and a more or less confident licensed RN. In Quebec, I'll be a scared, wide-eyed CPNP with a work permit for quite some time. So, which employer, do you think, would be most tolerant and supportive of that?
Any advice and additional info is much appreciated!
And good luck to all of you in all your endeavors!


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from janfrn
Old Jan 30, 2008, 04:29 PM

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You've asked some intersting questions, but I don't know that there are many members who would be able to answer them. I don't have much knowledge of what Quebec wants or doesn't want (other than the fluency in French thing) so am not of any help. I lived in the Montreal area for three years in the mid-80's but wasn't a nurse in those days and didn't work at all. No French, you see. (It was a LONG three years for me.)

My daughter is living in Montreal and working in a health care related field (genetics); she has dealings with several hospitals in the area, the ones that have maternity units. She is fluently bilingual so she's not having the same issues I did... I can't talk to her until the weekend, but I will call and ask her for her thoughts. I know the Jewish General has a good reputation. She'll have some insight into how they treat their staff. In the absence of any other replies, that may be the best we can offer.
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from shurchik
Old Feb 08, 2008, 07:45 AM

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Me, again. Wow, over a 100 views and 1 reply!
Thanks, janfrn! I checked out some of your other posts on this forum - you've been a lifesaver for many! If you don't mind, I'd like to take you up on your offer and converse via pm about whatever info you've dug up on Jewish General and others. Thank you!!!

For those, who've viewed this post hoping to get some answers (just like me, ha-ha), I can provide a little update on my progress.
OIIQ has finally replied to my numerous e-mails - boy, are they slow! Kinda gives me an idea of what to expect with them in the near future...
They didn't answer all of my questions, but said they're gonna send me an application packet. Let's hope that packet will cover the rest of my questions about credentials check.
So far, my general understanding is that the application packet has a form that the applicant has to send to his nursing school (and high school, and all other schools you ever went to), and the schools have to mail your transcripts back to OIIQ directly. Once they have all your transcripts, they check your education against Quebec requirements and issue a report. That report lets you know whether or not you need to take some more classes/clinicals before you can sit for the licensure exam.
Regardless of whether you need to get some more classes or not, there's one course you have to take - that's Integration of Nursing Knowledge in Quebec. It can take a few weeks or several months - OIIQ's committee determines that based on your education and work experience.
Once you complete this course, you become CPN (Candidate for the Profession of Nursing) and can begin work under RN supervision (I was told the pay for CPN in Quebec is around $22/hour) until OIIQ lets you take the licensure exam.
The exam is given in September and March, and, unlike the NCLEX in US, you don't get to choose your exam date. You have to take it when OIIQ tells you or you lose your CPN status. However, if you take the exam and fail, you can continue working as CPN and you get 3 more tries within 2 years to pass the exam. The exam is given in French everywhere in Quebec except Montreal, where you have a choice between French and English. I've already bought and received OIIQ's preparation guide for the exam in English (took 5 weeks to get here). The material itself looks very similar to NCLEX exam. In fact, I was told that many Canadian nursing candidates use US NCLEX prep guides to study for the Quebec exam. However, the form is different. There's a theory part, which you take on the first day of the exam, and it's all short answer questions (the exam's not computerized, and it takes 6-8 weeks to get your results). The second day of the exam is the practice part, where you have an actor playing a patient and an observer who present you with a real-life medical situation and grade your reaction. It's not nearly as scary as it sounds, and the OIIQ's prep guide gives you a pretty good idea how to approach the practical part of the exam.
Most of what I said above can be found on OIIQ's website, and I guess I'll keep you posted of my progress as I move along.
For myself, I'm still unclear about:
1) whether I'll be exempt from OIIQ's French exam. The website says that with my 4 years of college-level French I will be, but OIIQ hasn't confirmed it. It appears they don't want to give any definite answers till they receive all my transcripts. Bureaucrats, but what can you do?
2) how will OIIQ deal with the transcript from my nursing school in Russia. I mean, they gonna get it in Russian language - who and at what point will translate it for them? I'll keep bugging OIIQ with this question - maybe they'll finally break.
3) How much of my education and work experience will OIIQ take into account? My guess is I won't get an answer till I go through their entire application process and they issue their report. Seeing how "fast" they are, I don't expect to receive that report anytime earlier than 6 months.

Doesn't look like this thread is gonna be of much more use. But I still hope to get some info on English-speaking hospitals in Montreal - I'll start a new thread for that. Good luck to me.
Thanks, everybody.
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from suzanne4
Old Feb 12, 2008, 07:58 PM

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They are going to evaluate your clinical and theory hours that you had in school in Russia and then make a determination. But be aware that they are usually requiring equivalent to the BSN for licensure there and more than likely you will still need to complete their language exam. And their requirements are stricter than they are in the US for licensure.

As for experience, they put more into what you have done during school, unless you have significant experience as an RN. I would wait until you get their evaluation and to see if you are approved to sit for their licensing exam before you move there, it will be much easier for you to do.

Best of luck to you. Do you already have a visa that will permit you to live and work there?
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from Natalie09
Old Sep 22, 2009, 09:36 AM

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Hi Shurchik

Im in your same position i guess but just a little more of the way through! I have been in Quebec for 8 months and applied to the Nurses board of Quebec when i first arrived...and im still waiting. I received my Bachelor of Nursing in Australia and have had 15 months of surgical experience. The hardest part from getting all the required information from my university, nurses board of Australia and the hospital i previously worked at. The paperwork has to be comleted perfectly or they do not accept it which i found out the hard way. My paperwork was accepted in August and is now waiting to be reviewed by the nurses board committee who meets monthly.
So far it has been very frustrating not to mention expensive.. I havent been able to get any information to when the board will review my application so it could be 1 month it could be 6 months, they say they are not aware which applications are reviewed when. So for now i just have to wait.
Im interested to where you purchased your exam prep guide as i need to buy one and also i dont yet speak fluent french either but i did contact the Human Resources of the Mc Gill university. The person i spoke to was very nice and made it clear there would be no problems getting a job but of course she said you need to wait until you are excepted by the nurses board of Quebec before you can go any further. Good Luck i hope the application process is quicker for you than it has been for me.
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