Bringing nurses into Canada

RNGrad2006 · Aug 24, 2009, 07:28 PM

Re: Bringing nurses into Canada

Originally Posted by techraider77

I am currently in nursing school in Texas, will get my associates degree. Very interested in Vancouver, what is required to nurse there? Thank you

You need to check with the College of Registered Nurses of British Columbia. I was told they would look at your education on a case by case basis. You can appeal why you think your education is roughly equivalent of a BSN grad. If you want more details just PM me.

**janfrn** · Aug 24, 2009, 09:48 PM

Re: Bringing nurses into Canada

Originally Posted by dishes

Great post canadiangradschoolrn, I think the idea of creating a business to help IEN who are already in Canada is excellent, Janfrn has provided a wealth of information for IENs about the process of becoming nurses in Canada in the stickies at the top of the Canadian nursing forum.
I vote Janfrn, the president of the future business " Integration of IENs residing in Canada"
All in favour?
dishes

Originally Posted by canadiangradschoolrn

All in favour, no objections, motion carried, JanFrn has been appointed president of the future business "integration of IENs residing in Canada"

Thank you for the honour but I must respectfully decline the nomination. My head isn't big enough to hold all the hats I'm already wearing.

Higgs · Aug 29, 2009, 05:54 AM

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I'm British educated and trained and work in BC - came over with the Provincial Nominee Program a touch over 2 yrs ago.

Getting a job offer - no problem.

Getting immigration status- no problem.

The thing that held up the whole process was jumping through the hoops with the CRNBC.

I know they have a job to do making sure that applicants meet the required standard, but they do it very inefficiently. It took over a year to get my application through the system and there are people I know that took longer.

Any email questions I sent were replied to in not less than a month and the replies almost without exception didnt answer my original query.

For example, I was told I had to be finger printed and have my fingerprints sent to the RCMP for checking (I was told to have it done by my national force at Scotland Yard, but Britain doesnt have a national police force and I didnt live in London) - I had never been to Canada so how the RCMP could check my fingerprints, I'm not sure. I pointed this out to the CRNBC who then said (eventually) I didnt have to do it, it was only for applicants within Canada.

In the end I phoned up to ask why it was taking so long to process my application - I had a job waiting and had immigration papers - the guy I spoke to said I had got lost in the system , but he said he could fix it. Thank heavens he did or I'd still be waiting.

I work with a lot of internationallly educated nurses, and we all have similar stories about how slow and inefficient the CRNBC are. And pay 300+ dollars a year for the honour...

fmog · Sep 04, 2009, 10:33 AM

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The canadian immigration currently released a ministerial instruction indicating 38 occupation list they process on fast track. And registered nurse is on the list. Applicants either need an arranged employment or proof of funds, depending on the family size. Not to mention the other requirements such as the 1 year continous paid employment.

tarahope · Sep 05, 2009, 11:22 AM

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I don't think recruit foreign nurses means unethical. Being a foreign nurse and work in US, I can help patients more in terms of culture and language; not all pts can speak English. An old Chinese female pt has told one of my co-workers that she was so scared coz' there was a "man" who cannot speak her language and took off her pants at night---the night shift CNA tried to change her diaper. Yet, Chinese is shy to let a stranger especially male to do so.
The problem is the nurses' quality. In my experience, P contry's nurses are smart, but some of them are quite lazy. Just a few of them are fine. For foreign nurses, sign a contract is needed. If their performance is good, they'll have opportunities to settle down in this country.

**janfrn** · Sep 05, 2009, 04:03 PM

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Recruiting foreign nurses is unethical in the sense that it removes them from the health care system in their own countries who are already struggling with inadequate health care human resources. The primary basis for ethical choice is to do no harm. If the country has one hundred nurses but requires two hundred, and Canada swoops in to take 20 of these nurses away, they're harming the country of origin, intentionally or unintentionally. (The Philippines is a special case, since they have been training nurses for export for many years and seem not to value the nurses they create.)

The ethical practice of nursing encompasses many components and is often a stumbling block for nurses educated outside North America, since values are somewhat different to each culture. What might seem completely acceptable to one nurse could be considered an absolute taboo to another. That explains why there is an ethics component to the substantially-equivalent competency assessment adopted by five Canadian provinces and why questions of an ethical nature appear with significant frequency on the CRNE.

fmog · Sep 05, 2009, 10:13 PM

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The Philippines may have an overflowing of nurses and they may seek opportunities in other countries, but that doesn't make us less of a person or a nurse. As stated by other moderators in this forum, let us treat each other with respect. Let us watch our every word or statement as this may hurt another person. Perhaps you're right that we are not being valued as much as you are being valued in your government. But does that also include being undermined by fellow nurses? You may have lived in a better environment and studied in bigger and hi-tech institutions but that never meant you are better nurses than we are. We nurses in the Philippines are as determined, caring and skillfull as you are. We were just deprived of better facilities and resources to learn. But despite that fact, we still managed to make an impression in the world. You may brand us with a lot of things but the fact that our services are being demanded all over the world proved the quality of our service. I meant no offense, but if you don't want competition from other countries you might as well prove your worth in your own country. Not to us who never meant to step on anybody but is just striving to help those who are need (patients and our starving families).

5cats · Sep 05, 2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fmog

The Philippines may have an overflowing of nurses and they may seek opportunities in other countries, but that doesn't make us less of a person or a nurse.

Nobody is saying this, at least I cannot see this.

As stated by other moderators in this forum, let us treat each other with respect. Let us watch our every word or statement as this may hurt another person. Perhaps you're right that we are not being valued as much as you are being valued in your government. But does that also include being undermined by fellow nurses?

Please give an example nobody here is getting undermined.

You may have lived in a better environment and studied in bigger and hi-tech institutions but that never meant you are better nurses than we are.

Please state where you are getting this impression.

We nurses in the Philippines are as determined, caring and skillfull as you are. We were just deprived of better facilities and resources to learn. But despite that fact, we still managed to make an impression in the world. You may brand us with a lot of things but the fact that our services are being demanded all over the world proved the quality of our service.

Where did you get branded?

I meant no offense, but if you don't want competition from other countries you might as well prove your worth in your own country. Not to us who never meant to step on anybody but is just striving to help those who are need (patients and our starving families).

I actually find your post offensive, because I cannot see any indication for your harsh answer, the statement in Janfrn post was only that there is an oversupply of nurses, what makes the Philippines somewhat special. And in her opinion the Philippines don't seem to value their own nurses so much. That's probably from the info we are getting here, like bad payment, schools that are admitting way to many students to make money, forced volunteer work where people actually are paying for it, instead of being paid. Just to name some examples.

I do know we had similar threads going bad before, and I don't know if there are misunderstandings because of cultural differencies or why.

So if you could explain that would be helpful

thank you

5cats

canadiangradschoolrn · Sep 06, 2009, 11:54 AM

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5CATS Kudos to you. Well said

What is happening here is the complexity of international workforce migration. It entails a lot. Even as you can see. To really understand this tread. It will be much better to read all the posts.

As I have said earlier. Internationally Educated Nurses who are already residing in destination countries need much support, we shouldnt be recruting more nurse due to the ethics of brain drain, we should be helping the nurses in destination countries integrate more into the system.

The case of philippines is also complex. Philippines have long trained nurses for export internationally. Even now, some doctors in the Philippines are training as nurses. In return the government gets an economical boost from the remittances sent by Philippine nurses. However, lately the power of remittances in alleviating poverty has been much debated. Also, the ethics of brain drain applies to the Philippines as now it is currently experiencing a shortage of health care professionals.

Internationally Educated Nurses have diverse strengths with a wealth of experience. However, they need a good support upon arrival in their destination countries. International recruitment of nurses is unethical. As Jan has said, it rubs donor countries of their health care professionals. Countries with shortage of nurses should find internal solutions to workforce issues such as increasing capacity for nursing students, addressing retention issues.

*canoehead* · Sep 06, 2009, 03:28 PM

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I'm a Canadian trained nurse who worked in the USA, then came back about 7 months ago. Immigration and customs and finding a job were all minimal paperwork (with the exception of importing a car.) The RN Board did not answer phone calls or return them. They also required an FBI criminal record check, and a Canadian one. The FBI paperwork I found out was going to take a few months at least.

Anyway, if I can answer any questions...

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