Is Everybody Moving to California? - page 10

Just an observation but, it seems like there's a flood of posts lately from people inquiring about moving here. Not too long ago the local news seemed to be filled with stories about people... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    Quote from RNmommy
    Actually CA ranks 47th in the nation and Texas ranks 24th.
    I don't know how this plays in Texas but, the low test scores in California are largely attributed to the vast numbers of illegal children who don't speak English. If you don't speak the language very well ... you're not going to test well either.

    I don't know if Texas allows illegals into their school system to the extent that California does but, it's definitely a big part of the problem ... and certainly a hotly debated political issue here.

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    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 14, '06
  2. by   shodobe
    I lived in the Victorville/Hesperia/Apple Valley area from 1962 to 1978 and wouldn't go back IF you Gave me a home! Trafic is terrible and people live on top of people. The small town atmosphere has been long gone and all of the gang bangers have moved from LA to the affordable housing of the High Desert. My best friend from high school still lives there and works for the phone company, 34 years, and he evens says if he could he would get out. He goes into alot of "newer" homes to install DSL and he says they are absolute dumps. Poorly con structed and poorly maintained by the homeowners. He has built two homes of his own so he knows what he is talking about. This area is one to avoid because of the influx of undesirables from the LA area. People who have been only there a few years, 10 years or less, don't really have a concept of what this area once was. There use to be only one high school, the airbase was the biggest employer besides the cement company, the college was located at VVHS before moving out to Bear Valley. All areas deserve upgrading with more resources and people but VV/Hesperia/AV has really gone down the toilet. Too many people, very bad traffic and poor construction. I wouldn't move back on a dare. There are many places to move to in Calif but this isn't one of them.
  3. by   Sheri257
    Quote from shodobe
    I lived in the Victorville/Hesperia/Apple Valley area from 1962 to 1978 and wouldn't go back IF you Gave me a home! Trafic is terrible and people live on top of people. The small town atmosphere has been long gone and all of the gang bangers have moved from LA to the affordable housing of the High Desert. My best friend from high school still lives there and works for the phone company, 34 years, and he evens says if he could he would get out. He goes into alot of "newer" homes to install DSL and he says they are absolute dumps. Poorly con structed and poorly maintained by the homeowners. He has built two homes of his own so he knows what he is talking about. This area is one to avoid because of the influx of undesirables from the LA area. People who have been only there a few years, 10 years or less, don't really have a concept of what this area once was. There use to be only one high school, the airbase was the biggest employer besides the cement company, the college was located at VVHS before moving out to Bear Valley. All areas deserve upgrading with more resources and people but VV/Hesperia/AV has really gone down the toilet. Too many people, very bad traffic and poor construction. I wouldn't move back on a dare. There are many places to move to in Calif but this isn't one of them.
    When was the last time you were here? The picture you're painting is distorted, to say the least.

    Yes, like anywhere else, there's been problems with a few of the track home developers but, there's plenty of good homes with spacious lots (1/2 acre or more) for sale also. There's tons of them on the market right now. My lot is 2/3 of an acre. People certainly don't live on top of each other in my neighborhood.

    As for gangs ... yes, that's been a problem mostly in Victorville and Adelanto, where some prisons are located, but Adelanto is also 30 miles away.

    Do you not think Orange County, LA and San Diego have gang problems? Did they all suddenly leave and come up to the High Desert? Do you think the rest of California is suddenly a gang free zone? Uh ... no ... I don't think so ...

    Crime is up ... yes ... but crime is not up per capita. It's actually down in the High Desert when you take into account the population growth.

    As for traffic: yes ... it's gotten worse with more people here. But it's still no where near as bad as when I take the 91 in Riverside or the 55 in Orange County. There ... you literally can't move during rush hour a lot of the time.

    The desert traffic has not gotten that bad ... at least not yet. I still get around pretty easily unless there's a fire or accident. And I still get through the Cajon Pass, the 215 and the 15 just fine even with the additional traffic (except on Friday evenings when everybody heads out to Vegas or the River so, I don't work on Fridays.)

    Of course, traffic is very bad on the Cajon Pass today because they're doing a bunch of road work that's actually going to make commuting better. But, in that case, it's worth it.

    If the High Desert sucks as much as you say it does ... why are people paying $300 - $450K for homes here? Are they all gang bangers?

    Of course not.

    As for the phone company ... nothing against your friend personally but, I've had enough them out to my house to know that those guys are the laziest workers I've ever seen. I had to file complaints with the PUC twice because they claimed to fix my phone service multiple times but didn't ...

    Only when I got the PUC out here to investigate did I finally get my phone fixed. And I'm talking about basic phone service ... nothing fancy.

    Since I know for a fact that they've lied to me multiple times ... I personally wouldn't believe anything they had to say.

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    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 14, '06
  4. by   shodobe
    Sorry to burst your bubble but I go up there quite a lot. I lived there way before you ever were there so I know what I am talking about. My friend does commercial and home DSL installs not phone installs, big difference. That area has become a haven of displaced crime from the LA area and everyone knows this. This area will go down as a very over-built metropolis that eventually will end up looking like the San Bernardino/Riverside area. Yes, crime is everywhere, but my mother's husband, a SB County sheriff's investigator with 25 years, has said crime has more than doubled in the area over the past 10 years. Housing cost have nothing to do with who you are or what you do for a living. Houses can be easily bought with drug money as well as honest money. I can see in the future for that area between VV and Barstow being nothing but homes. I guess I miss the small town attitude we had in VV when I went to HS and college so long ago, that will never return. The traffic is horrible there! You just don't want to admit it. I use to be able to get to VVC from my house on Mojave Dr in 15 minutes! Try that today. There is so much traffic on Bear Valley it competes with Manchester in Inglewood as the worst. You just haven't lived there long enough to realize how far down the drain the area has gotten. When you have either lived or had to deal with that area as long as I have, over 45 years, then we'll have something to talk about.
  5. by   smk1
    Well, I didn't mean to start an argument about the victorville area. Obviously I only saw it passing through and it and all the other little towns were pretty much a blur. ( I did see an outlet mall though!) Bottom line for me is that what works and is great for one family is not going to be acceptable to another. If that area is becoming as overcrowded and built up as shodobe thinks then I think Lizz will see her investment shoot up and be able to move somewhere else with her equity anyway. It's a shame though that the small towns in America are becoming overrun or becoming bedroom communities for the larger cities because of housing costs. Brings to mind that news special awhile back about the disparity betweent the "haves" the "have nots" and now the "haves but own 90 miles from work".
  6. by   Sheri257
    Quote from shodobe
    Yes, crime is everywhere, but my mother's husband, a SB County sheriff's investigator with 25 years, has said crime has more than doubled in the area over the past 10 years.
    Well ... if that's true then, the sheriff's office must be doing a piss poor job ...

    Or ... perhaps, the statistics are misleading. If you're living in a hick town and there are zero murders because hardly anybody lives there ... and you get one murder because a lot more people have moved to that area then ...

    Guess what ... it's going to look like the murder rate has gone up by 100 percent ... because the crime rate has technically "doubled" ... even though it's just one murder.

    Yes ... of course, crime goes up with population growth ... but you've got to take that population growth into account.

    Quote from shodobe
    The traffic is horrible there!
    I never said traffic was great. I said it was reasonable compared with other areas of SoCal.

    Yeah ... traffic has gotten worse. But three years ago in Hesperia, for example, you couldn't even buy coffee at Starbucks either ... Sorry, but I love Starbucks and I want other quality retail to come here, and they have with the increased traffic.

    I also want more hospitals and job opportunities. Three new hospitals are planned for the area. I want higher RN wages. RN wages are up 30 percent in just three years ... that doesn't happen in a hick town with no growth and no traffic.

    If you think hick towns with lousy RN wages, no growth and no decent retail is great ... so be it. I don't. My house is worth double what I paid for it. I'm sure your friend's house is worth a hellava lot more than what he paid for it.

    I get tired of the old timers complaining about the changes here. They complain and complain ... even though they're sitting on a ton of home equity because of the changes.

    If they don't like it, they should just cash out their equity and move.

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    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 14, '06
  7. by   shodobe
    Well enough said about this. I am just so disappointed the direction the area went. I know there are considerably more resources in the area than 10 years ago. To many people they have exactly what they need. The area does have alot to offer but not to me. I moved to an area up north where I can be away from all the bustle but still close enough for all the needed things. People who want to move to california might find VV appealing because compared to alot of areas cost can be reasonable and still be close to major attractions, mountains, beach and others. I would never not recommend VV to people but you have to remember I know what the area use to be and I liked it better then.
  8. by   luvnrsng
    I agree with Metalmom. I am a native and it has changed alot.
  9. by   chuchie
    as for traffic: yes ... it's gotten worse with more people here. but it's still no where near as bad as when i take the 91 in riverside or the 55 in orange county. there ... you literally can't move during rush hour a lot of the time.


    of course, traffic is very bad on the cajon pass today because they're doing a bunch of road work that's actually going to make commuting better. but, in that case, it's worth it.


    auughhh!!!!!!! i just about lost my mind on the 91 going home last week from it being shut down! traffic is horrible going west-bound towards la and oc, but the other way has no problems. the fast-track doesn't even help for the morning commute, the bulk of my commute is just sitting to get on the freeway at any of the on-ramps in corona. if you want to take the fast-track home it will still take you an hour and you have to pay almost $8.00 to take it.

    as for the gang thing.... i think you are right that it is everywhere, however i was reading online at the city of corona' website and the city tries to discourage gang use by at least getting rid of graffitti. i think this is a good idea and wish that riverside, san bernardino, and everywhere else would adopt this program.
  10. by   sdmommie
    Quote from luv2shopp85
    I cannot understand people moving from California where the weather is nice all year round.... to seattle where its cold and rains a LOT.
    I moved to Portland before I had kids. It was beautiful July - September. However, when it rained on my birthday in June, I took it as a sign to move back to California. Portland is wonderful in many ways, but the weather is just terrible. I think when people have lived in California (and weather is a big part of your life), it's hard to live anywhere else. At least for me.
  11. by   Sheri257
    Quote from SMK1
    It's a shame though that the small towns in America are becoming overrun or becoming bedroom communities for the larger cities because of housing costs. Brings to mind that news special awhile back about the disparity betweent the "haves" the "have nots" and now the "haves but own 90 miles from work".
    What's so great about small towns? I lived in a small town of 5,000 people and I'll never do it again.

    Yeah ... there was no traffic. But there wasn't basic services either. No home delivered mail ... you had to pick up the mail in town. No garbage pick up ... even if you paid for pick up you had to bring it to a location to be picked up and, by the time you did that you might as well haul it to the dump yourself ... which was a real hassle.

    There wasn't any decent jobs so you had to drive 60 miles to work anyway. There was only one grocery store so, with no competition, you ended up paying a lot more for food. If you needed anything more than food, you had to drive at least an hour to get to a mall. If you tried to shop by internet, that was also a hassle because there wasn't UPS home delivery either.

    I'm sure different towns vary with available services but, there can be lots of disadvantages to small towns also. If I had to choose between traffic and a small town .... I'd choose traffic any day. Even with the extra traffic, life is a lot more convenient than when I was living in a small town.

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    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 20, '06
  12. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from lizz
    What's so great about small towns? I lived in a small town of 5,000 people and I'll never do it again.

    Yeah ... there was no traffic. But there wasn't basic services either. No home delivered mail ... you had to pick up the mail in town. No garbage pick up ... even if you paid for pick up you had to bring it to location to be picked up and, by the time you did that you might as well haul it to the dump yourself ... which was a real hassle.

    There wasn't any decent jobs so you had to drive 60 miles to work anyway. There was only one grocery store so, with no competition, you ended up paying a lot more for food. If you needed anything more than food, you had to drive at least an hour to get to a mall. If you tried to shop by internet, that was also a hassle because there wasn't UPS home delivery either.

    I'm sure different towns vary with available services but, there can be lots of disadvantages to small towns also. If I had to choose between traffic and a small town .... I'd choose traffic any day. Even with the extra traffic, life is a lot more convenient than when I was living in a small town.

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    I grew up in a small town that still had horrible traffic problems, because the roads were one lane in each direction, and most of them were narrow. On top of that, more often than not you'd be stuck behind a big rig, none of whom would use the turn outs meant for that purpose. Add to that extremely limited educational, recreational, cultural and employment options, and you've got a pretty good picture of why rural didn't work for me.
  13. by   Sheri257
    Quote from mercyteapot
    I grew up in a small town that still had horrible traffic problems, because the roads were one lane in each direction, and most of them were narrow. On top of that, more often than not you'd be stuck behind a big rig, none of whom would use the turn outs meant for that purpose. Add to that extremely limited educational, recreational, cultural and employment options, and you've got a pretty good picture of why rural didn't work for me.
    Those narrow single lane roads ... ugh. You're right: big rigs were always a problem and, also, if you happened to get behind grandma who only drives 20 miles an hour. Talk about traffic congestion when that happened, especially if there weren't any passing lanes.

    After that, I was dying to get back to overcrowded suburbia with the simple things in life: Lots of grocery stores and other retail, home delivered mail, home garbage pickup and, my particular favorite ... UPS home delivery. Yes!!!

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    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 20, '06

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