How in the world do you make it in CA? - page 4

Hi Cali Nurses, I graduate from Nursing school may 6th :hatparty: and I have always fancied moving to CA. I spoke with a nurse recruiter at UCLA and was alerted that the pay would be: 25.36/hr... Read More

  1. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from USFguy
    I always wonder why people struggle so much to live in CA. Maybe it's the image and luster. I don't know but I am getting a reality check and moving to a place in the country that I can really afford.
    I wouldn't live anywhere but CA. It has nothing to do with the image and luster, and everything to do with the weather, the fact that we have the desert, the mountains, and the sea all within a day's drive, the "blueness" of the state in most of the things that matter to me, the fact that all my friends are here and all my son's friends are here, my job is here....
  2. by   ellescorpio
    I live in TX. I am moving to CA. I am sorry to say but I have a feeling USFguy has not spent enough time in TX. The weather especially in Houston is hot and humid. They have awful pollution. When I visit my family there my eyes hurt so bad from the pollution, I can't even put in my contacts. People are more to the left in Houston than in most places in TX, but that isn't saying much. I would take an "uneducated" liberal over a conservative "educated" person any day. I just hope USFguy really takes some time to visit TX. I think there is more to give up in CA than just "image and luster". If living comfortably means having a five bedroom house, I am willing to be uncomfortable. I just can't justify having excess stuff like houses, cars, and other material items as being worth giving up great weather and open-minded people. Oh well, to each his own.
  3. by   USFguy
    Quote from ellescorpio
    I live in TX. I am moving to CA. I am sorry to say but I have a feeling USFguy has not spent enough time in TX. The weather especially in Houston is hot and humid. They have awful pollution. When I visit my family there my eyes hurt so bad from the pollution, I can't even put in my contacts. People are more to the left in Houston than in most places in TX, but that isn't saying much. I would take an "uneducated" liberal over a conservative "educated" person any day. I just hope USFguy really takes some time to visit TX. I think there is more to give up in CA than just "image and luster". If living comfortably means having a five bedroom house, I am willing to be uncomfortable. I just can't justify having excess stuff like houses, cars, and other material items as being worth giving up great weather and open-minded people. Oh well, to each his own.
    Talk about pollution--have you ever visited L.A.! The smog is horrible. The roads are cracked and filled with potholes in both SF and LA because no state money goes in to infrastructure. The public schools here are the worst in the nation!! Yes, living comfortably isn't just about material items, but I need to support a family and plan for retirement. Weather and open-minded people are all fine, but who cares about that when you can't afford to send your children to college, save for retirement, take vacations, etc. I was just making the point that for $260,000, you get a hell of a lot more in houston then SF or LA. You can go ahead and think that all the nice things about california will satisfy you, but in the end it comes down to being able to buy descent home for your family to live in and sending your kids to descent public schools. That's where my priorities lie.

    I'd like to welcome you to California. Hope your coming with some money to put down on your $600,000 2 bedroom cottage in Van Nuys or Oakland. I'm sure you'll have fun in the slopes up in Big Bear when your off (oh no, you have to do OT to pay mortgage this month or rent--if you didn't come with your down payment). Maybe you could go to the beach instead and enjoy the 40 degree polluted water. Or you can go hiking in Yosemite and pay $20 bucks to get in--there goes lunch!

    It is too freakin expensive here!! It's not worth it!!
    Last edit by USFguy on Aug 3, '05
  4. by   fergus51
    I live very comfortably here. Don't have to do any OT to pay my rent.
  5. by   USFguy
    Quote from fergus51
    I live very comfortably here. Don't have to do any OT to pay my rent.
    You may not have to do OT to pay your RENT(notice you say rent and not mortgage) but I wonder how much you actually have left over every month to put away for retirement and a home. Unless you are single, with no children and don't mind being a lifetime renter, then california isn't for you. I'm telling you, it is a hard state to live in for families.
  6. by   ellescorpio
    USFguy, I wish you the best . I really do. It sounds like you have had enough of CA, and I understand that. I feel the same way about TX. I am not going to get into a word fight with you. It just seems recently everyone thinks TX is so great, and I do not agree. By the way my parents live in TX and didn't send me to college, I sent myself. The roads are great here in TX, because all of the state's money goes into roads and football. I don't know if you have researched TX schools but they are not great either. I hope your kids don't want to participate in any academic after school activities, because there is no money for that here in TX. The football team needs new uniforms every year, that's more important than new textbooks or computers. My parents have to pay for my brother and sister to go to a private school just so they can get a decent education, which they have to work OT to pay for. I hope you love it here in TX, I have lived here all my life and I've had enough. When I choose to buy a house I might move to another state if the bubble market in CA hasn't busted yet, but it won't be TX. Nowhere is perfect.

    Quote from USFguy
    Talk about pollution--have you ever visited L.A.! The smog is horrible. The roads are cracked and filled with potholes in both SF and LA because no state money goes in to infrastructure. The public schools here are the worst in the nation!! Yes, living comfortably isn't just about material items, but I need to support a family and plan for retirement. Weather and open-minded people are all fine, but who cares about that when you can't afford to send your children to college, save for retirement, take vacations, etc. I was just making the point that for $260,000, you get a hell of a lot more in houston then SF or LA. You can go ahead and think that all the nice things about california will satisfy you, but in the end it comes down to being able to buy descent home for your family to live in and sending your kids to descent public schools. That's where my priorities lie.

    I'd like to welcome you to California. Hope your coming with some money to put down on your $600,000 2 bedroom cottage in Van Nuys or Oakland. I'm sure you'll have fun in the slopes up in Big Bear when your off (oh no, you have to do OT to pay mortgage this month or rent--if you didn't come with your down payment). Maybe you could go to the beach instead and enjoy the 40 degree polluted water. Or you can go hiking in Yosemite and pay $20 bucks to get in--there goes lunch!

    It is too freakin expensive here!! It's not worth it!!
  7. by   USFguy
    Quote from ellescorpio
    USFguy, I wish you the best . I really do. It sounds like you have had enough of CA, and I understand that. I feel the same way about TX. I am not going to get into a word fight with you. It just seems recently everyone thinks TX is so great, and I do not agree. By the way my parents live in TX and didn't send me to college, I sent myself. The roads are great here in TX, because all of the state's money goes into roads and football. I don't know if you have researched TX schools but they are not great either. I hope your kids don't want to participate in any academic after school activities, because there is no money for that here in TX. The football team needs new uniforms every year, that's more important than new textbooks or computers. My parents have to pay for my brother and sister to go to a private school just so they can get a decent education, which they have to work OT to pay for. I hope you love it here in TX, I have lived here all my life and I've had enough. When I choose to buy a house I might move to another state if the bubble market in CA hasn't busted yet, but it won't be TX. Nowhere is perfect.
    I here ya. I really am fed up with CA. It's the fakeness and sugar-coating (no one is for real--more so in LA), the constant rat-race, the traffic, and most, the enormous cost of living. I guess I might stay if I was a doctor or someone who made alot more money, but I just can't cut it here as a nurse. Many people are leaving the state, but it seems (you as an example) are coming in to fill the empty spots. Many of my family have moved out of the state to places like New Mexico, Arizona, and Florida. They got tired of the never ending struggle to save and live comfortably at the same time. You will have fun here as you are young right now and probably detached. But as you get older, your priorities will shift and you will see how important it is to be able to save for retirement, buy a home, and send your kids to college and private schools (without doing OT--that also counts toward quality of life). Maybe I think a little to highly of houston, but believe me, CA is no better. Like you said, nowhere is perfect. I guess you just choose your battles.

    You can have my 2 bedroom 2nd floor Edwardian flat in the nice Grand Lake neighborhood of Oakland, which is 12 miles from San Francisco, but takes an hour to get to every morning because of traffic. Oh, by the way, the rent is $1275 a month with street parking that you must fight for daily. I'm taking my $1275 and I'm going to put it towards a house.
  8. by   fergus51
    Quote from USFguy
    You may not have to do OT to pay your RENT(notice you say rent and not mortgage) but I wonder how much you actually have left over every month to put away for retirement and a home. Unless you are single, with no children and don't mind being a lifetime renter, then california isn't for you. I'm telling you, it is a hard state to live in for families.
    I can easily bank 1500 a month. I don't have kids, and I don't mind renting. If I was married to someone making a comparable wage, I could easily afford a mortgage.
  9. by   ellescorpio
    I know how much the rent is, I am a research coordinator. I research everything. I am married. We have enough money saved right now, we COULD buy a house if we wanted to. My husband is going to be a doctor, so I guess we will be just fine. People are fake here in TX too. They will smile to your face and then stab you in the back. Most Texans are conservatives, and dare anyone have any opinions that don't coincide with their beliefs. There is a reason why you can buy a hamburger at Mc Donald's for .99, quality. There is always a reason behind prices, supply and demand. It wouldn't be so expensive to live in CA if it was as awful as you make it sound. There is a reason why TX is cheap, and soon enough you will see it first hand. We have considered moving to Austin, TX and buying a house and living the "comfortable" life. It is our opinion that it would be better for our children to grow and flourish mentally elsewhere. We want them to have their own opinions and we don't want them to HAVE to play football or be a cheerleader to benefit from the school's budget. We want a lot for our children, a lot of things we can't give them if they are surrounded by close minded people with egocentric belief systems. We don't party, we save our money, our priorities are just fine.

    Since it is so cheap here in TX why didn't you move before you were in nursing school? We have nursing schools here too. We are all entitled to our opinions, and they are just that opinions. Nothing more, nothing less. Best of luck to you.


    Quote from USFguy
    I here ya. I really am fed up with CA. It's the fakeness and sugar-coating (no one is for real--more so in LA), the constant rat-race, the traffic, and most, the enormous cost of living. I guess I might stay if I was a doctor or someone who made alot more money, but I just can't cut it here as a nurse. Many people are leaving the state, but it seems (you as an example) are coming in to fill the empty spots. Many of my family have moved out of the state to places like New Mexico, Arizona, and Florida. They got tired of the never ending struggle to save and live comfortably at the same time. You will have fun here as you are young right now and probably detached. But as you get older, your priorities will shift and you will see how important it is to be able to save for retirement, buy a home, and send your kids to college and private schools (without doing OT--that also counts toward quality of life). Maybe I think a little to highly of houston, but believe me, CA is no better. Like you said, nowhere is perfect. I guess you just choose your battles.

    You can have my 2 bedroom 2nd floor Edwardian flat in the nice Grand Lake neighborhood of Oakland, which is 12 miles from San Francisco, but takes an hour to get to every morning because of traffic. Oh, by the way, the rent is $1275 a month with street parking that you must fight for daily. I'm taking my $1275 and I'm going to put it towards a house.
  10. by   USFguy
    Quote from fergus51
    I don't have kids, and I don't mind renting.
    My point exactly.
  11. by   fergus51
    Quote from USFguy
    My point exactly.
    Most of my coworkers are married with kids and they seem to survive pretty nicely too. I'm one of the few renters in the group, but that's not because I couldn't afford a house, it's because I move too often to make buying worthwhile.
  12. by   USFguy
    Quote from ellescorpio
    There is a reason why you can buy a hamburger at Mc Donald's for .99, quality. There is always a reason behind prices, supply and demand. It wouldn't be so expensive to live in CA if it was as awful as you make it sound. There is a reason why TX is cheap, and soon enough you will see it first hand.
    Supply and demand? Yeah, that's part of it, but so is inflation and speculation. Just because something is priced high doesn't mean you are getting high quality. I'm sure the dress at Ross is just as good as the one in the department store, but it is the brand that people get sucked into. I'm no longer getting sucked into the "california" brand.

    Quote from ellescorpio
    It is our opinion that it would be better for our children to grow and flourish mentally elsewhere. We want them to have their own opinions and we don't want them to HAVE to play football or be a cheerleader to benefit from the school's budget. We want a lot for our children, a lot of things we can't give them if they are surrounded by close minded people with egocentric belief systems.
    Flourish mentally? You should no as a research coordinator that the schools here are ranked 48 in the nation. They won't have to play football or be a cheerleader to benefit from the school's budget because the school's have no money. And talk about close-minded people...you will encounter huge amounts of radical liberals here that believe all republicans are fascists and that support tax-funded sex change operations (LA and SF both do this) and S&M parades in the city of San Francisco (Folsom Sreet Fair). I am liberal, but to a point of sanity. And, oh yes, you have your christian right-wingers too in orange county and beyond that think we should live in a theocracy and elect Pat Robertson as president.

    Quote from ellescorpio
    Since it is so cheap here in TX why didn't you move before you were in nursing school? We have nursing schools here too.
    I wish I had, but my partner was in school at the time. Now I can and I will.

    Most of this affordability stuff doesn't even apply to you anyhow since your hubby's a Doctor.

    I have lived here my whole life and I know what I giving up, nothing more than what you are in texas.
  13. by   ellescorpio
    Have you researched TX nursing conditions? Are you aware of the patient to nurse ratios? Most of my clinical experiences have been with nurses who have 7 or more patients. Nurses are not treated kindly in TX. Have you researched the difference in TX hospitals vs. CA hospitals? Most CA hospitals are way more advanced than TX hospitals. In TX for the most part EVERYTHING is still done by hand. Charting, medications, room charges, just about everything is done with pencil and paper. There are some hospitals that are fortunate enough to have updated to having the patients information on the computer, but they are not in the majority. If you like the "Ross" brand of nursing job quality you'll find it here in TX. Well actually, it might be closer to the Wal-mart brand, but if that works for you then great. Like I said. We are all entitled to our opinions. Best of luck to you

    Quote from USFguy
    Supply and demand? Yeah, that's part of it, but so is inflation and speculation. Just because something is priced high doesn't mean you are getting high quality. I'm sure the dress at Ross is just as good as the one in the department store, but it is the brand that people get sucked into. I'm no longer getting sucked into the "california" brand.



    Flourish mentally? You should no as a research coordinator that the schools here are ranked 48 in the nation. They won't have to play football or be a cheerleader to benefit from the school's budget because the school's have no money. And talk about close-minded people...you will encounter huge amounts of radical liberals here that believe all republicans are fascists and that support tax-funded sex change operations (LA and SF both do this) and S&M parades in the city of San Francisco (Folsom Sreet Fair). I am liberal, but to a point of sanity. And, oh yes, you have your christian right-wingers too in orange county and beyond that think we should live in a theocracy and elect Pat Robertson as president.



    I wish I had, but my partner was in school at the time. Now I can and I will.

    Most of this affordability stuff doesn't even apply to you anyhow since your hubby's a Doctor.

    I have lived here my whole life and I know what I giving up, nothing more than what you are in texas.

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