Calif RN disagrees with CNA in many ways. Am I alone? - page 8

Hello! I am new to this site but felt compelled to ask the question. Am I the only RN in Calif that disagrees with CNA's "teamster tactics" regarding important health care and nursing issues? These... Read More

  1. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from Lawdo2
    ..... CNA should not take full credit for the nurse-patient ratio. I believe that nurses have the power to move mountains "without CNA", the power is within us....
    Nurses will SAY "We could do it ourselves if we could stick together..."
    forever.

    But- they don't and they didn't.

    The CNA can and did!
  2. by   SFCardiacRN
    Quote from Sherwood
    Where do you work? I have heard that said many times. Sometimes even in my own hospital. After a little research it rarely turns out to be true, especially in todays environment. I guess someone has to be paying the bottom rates somewhere, but do they think they can keep their staff for long?

    Why do you work there? It must be a great place to work if you are willing to stay. How much do the "lowest paid RN's in town" make for say an RN with 5 years of experience in an acute care hospital.
    I work for the government. We have a weak union and cannot strike (remember the air traffic controllers that tried to?). I make 20% less than a fellow classmate doing the same job in the private sector. We also "top out" in pay. If money were the only factor, I would work elsewhere but for me it is not. However, I would enjoy making what other local RN's make.
  3. by   Sheri257
    Quote from BillEDRN
    Decertification is not the way to go.
    I am a union supporter but, I think decertification elections are important and a good thing. If the union does things that people don't like and they've changed their mind about representation, they should have a chance to vote on it and change representation, if the majority wants a change.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 22, '05
  4. by   fergus51
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    To Cali nurses who don't like the CNA- Why don't you come to Texas and work, where you will get 12-13 pts all by yourself on med-surg, no aides, no unit clerks, just you and ALL your pts-and where the hospitals don't have Workman's Comp, because Texas says they don't have to?

    I was injured on the job here, and the facility refused to pay my ER bill- I had to pay it myself to preserve my credit rating.

    Also, most hospitals and nursing homes here do not offer any kind of health ins plan whatsoever to nursing staff.

    Cali nurses- you don't know how good you have it.
    I do know how good I have it. It's why I moved here and not to Texas or any other state. I like it here. I hope all the union and non-union nurses in all the other states see improvements in working conditions as well. I think it's shameful that a facility isn't required to have worker's comp coverage for its employees.
    Last edit by fergus51 on Oct 22, '05
  5. by   bluesky
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    Nurses will SAY "We could do it ourselves if we could stick together..."
    forever.

    But- they don't and they didn't.

    The CNA can and did!
    Isn't thatthe truth!!! Everytime a nurse gave me that line, I said well then give me an example and they were tonguetied.
  6. by   lindarn
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    To Cali nurses who don't like the CNA- Why don't you come to Texas and work, where you will get 12-13 pts all by yourself on med-surg, no aides, no unit clerks, just you and ALL your pts-and where the hospitals don't have Workman's Comp, because Texas says they don't have to?

    I was injured on the job here, and the facility refused to pay my ER bill- I had to pay it myself to preserve my credit rating.

    Also, most hospitals and nursing homes here do not offer any kind of health ins plan whatsoever to nursing staff.

    Cali nurses- you don't know how good you have it.

    AMEN!!
    I live in Spokane, Washington, and we have a joke called the Washington State Nurses Association. The negotiated a contract with the Sacred Heart, where the nurses go no retoractive pay from when the contract expired in December, to when it was finally voted on in March throuhg no fault of the nurses or WSNA. THey also accepted a 5% pay increase with a 20% increase in the cost of medical benefits to the nurses. Even a mathematically challenged person like myself, can figure that they received a 15% pay cut with the new contract. As the nurses came in and voted on the contract, they put in the paperwork to get out of WSNA membership. They just don't get it. Well, you know, the hospital had to pay for the new Children's Hospital somehow, didn't they? As usual, JMHO, and my $0.02.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
  7. by   Nancy2
    To Cali nurses who don't like the CNA- Why don't you come to Texas and work, where you will get 12-13 pts all by yourself on med-surg, no aides, no unit clerks, just you and ALL your pts-and where the hospitals don't have Workman's Comp, because Texas says they don't have to?

    I was injured on the job here, and the facility refused to pay my ER bill- I had to pay it myself to preserve my credit rating.

    Also, most hospitals and nursing homes here do not offer any kind of health ins plan whatsoever to nursing staff.

    Cali nurses- you don't know how good you have it.
    My best friend lives in Texas (the Fort Worth area). She works med surg. She normally has 5 to 6 patients, there is an aide for the unit and she gets paid $28 an hour. I asked her about the Workers comp thing and she said that an employer has the choice of being in the state comp fund or being self insured. (If you have documentation that you were injured at work and they refused to pay, I'd talk to a lawyer.) Her benefits are way better than mine, and I work in a CNA represented facility.
    I know Texas is a big state, but her Texas doesn't sound anything like yours!
    Where do you live?
  8. by   PMHNP10
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    Nurses will SAY "We could do it ourselves if we could stick together..."
    forever.

    But- they don't and they didn't.

    The CNA can and did!

    So you've had a taste of CA nursing and u like I'm guessing? I missed my job the day I leff out of the hospital. And now that I'm back in TX I'm looking again...not for a floor position though cause it's just unsafe. Unfortunately that might be what I have to turn to if I wish to pay the mortgage.
  9. by   BillEDRN
    Quote from lizz
    I am a union supporter but, I think decertification elections are important and a good thing. If the union does things that people don't like and they've changed their mind about representation, they should have a chance to vote on it and change representation, if the majority wants a change.

    I agree that if the union is not representing the will of the members, it should change. However, that is not what happens when you "decertify" a union facility. If you decertify you lose the ability to have union representation for a year, and then you have to go thru the entire process of getting a union back inplace, which as anyone who has participated in the formation of a union at a workplace can tell you.
    It would be far better for the members to regain control thru participation, elections and governence of their union so as to direct it's activities to represent it's members goals.
    Hope that helps clarify things, especially if you are thinking about decertifying at your facility.
    Aloha.
  10. by   Sheri257
    Quote from BillEDRN
    I agree that if the union is not representing the will of the members, it should change. However, that is not what happens when you "decertify" a union facility. If you decertify you lose the ability to have union representation for a year, and then you have to go thru the entire process of getting a union back inplace, which as anyone who has participated in the formation of a union at a workplace can tell you.
    It would be far better for the members to regain control thru participation, elections and governence of their union so as to direct it's activities to represent it's members goals.
    True. But that doesn't take into account people who may not want union representation at all. If there's a majority that doesn't want a union, period, then they should have that option.

    To say it would be too hard for the union to get back into the facility so ... they should stay no matter what ... violates the spirit of democracy. If the union has done such a bad job and screwed up so badly that a majority wants them out, I don't think changing officers, etc. is enough.

    Again, I am totally pro-union. But, I don't want to force union representation if the majority doesn't want it.

    Scripps just went through this in one of their facilities and the union prevailed. I think it's really good thing because everybody knows where the majority stands. Without that vote, the union would be in a much weaker position.

    Decertification elections make the whole process more democratic and, it also makes the union more accountable for their actions.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 27, '05
  11. by   rstewart
    [QUOTE=lindarn]AMEN!!
    THey also accepted a 5% pay increase with a 20% increase in the cost of medical benefits to the nurses. Even a mathematically challenged person like myself, can figure that they received a 15% pay cut with the new contract.

    Actually that would only be true if their wages and insurance premiums were equal-----which they are not.
  12. by   Sheri257
    Just a quick update on decertification news ...

    Looks like St. Vincent's joined Scripps Encinitas in defeating decertification efforts ...

    http://www.stopunions.com/election_info.htm

    But there's now a decertification effort underway at Inland Valley Medical Center ...

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005...4911_26_05.txt

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Dec 7, '05
  13. by   Sherwood
    Quote from lizz
    True. But that doesn't take into account people who may not want union representation at all. If there's a majority that doesn't want a union, period, then they should have that option.

    To say it would be too hard for the union to get back into the facility so ... they should stay no matter what ... violates the spirit of democracy. If the union has done such a bad job and screwed up so badly that a majority wants them out, I don't think changing officers, etc. is enough.

    Again, I am totally pro-union. But, I don't want to force union representation if the majority doesn't want it.

    Scripps just went through this in one of their facilities and the union prevailed. I think it's really good thing because everybody knows where the majority stands. Without that vote, the union would be in a much weaker position.

    Decertification elections make the whole process more democratic and, it also makes the union more accountable for their actions.

    Thank you Lizz. Well put. I wish I would have seen this post sooner.

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