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Jun 20, 2009 02:33 PM

RN new grad UNPAID residency program

by rebean

Hi-

I'm wondering about opinions on an unpaid RN residency. My community college has just started a post-licensure 3 month training program in the local hospitals. There is no stipend and no guarantee of a job at the end- just supervised experience and the possibility of convincing people to hire you at the end. As a result, the local participating hospitals have created a moratorium on hiring new grads who have not gone through their program. The managers get to interview the candidates before selecting them for their unit. The students are responsible for paying for the hospitals background check.

Does this sound legal? Ethical? It sounds to me like the hospitals have the opportunity to get new nurses trained to their units without having to pay for it. For people who can't move out of the area, it's the only option.

Thanks


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from caliotter3
Old Jun 20, 2009, 02:47 PM

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To me it sure sounds better than sitting around trying to do everything on your own. You get a little bit of experience which will help your confidence, and a whole lot of exposure. You should be spending a good portion of your time trying to make a good, lasting impression on the people in these facilities so that you can take advantage of any help they can give to get you hired. Good luck.
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from liloncrn
Old Jun 20, 2009, 02:50 PM

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There is a thread started on this already... look here It really seems unfair. We already do clinicals with no pay…which we expect. BUT now we are expected to "perform" under the disguise of a “residency program” in hopes of getting hired. It is very discouraging.

Gosh, how unhappy are the nurses with this organization? Do they have such a problem with retention that they wont hire New Grads for the beginning cause they don’t work out. I would have to question the REAL reason why.
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from ghillbert
Old Jun 20, 2009, 02:56 PM

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I don't know how the hospital gets away with that legally - generally for someone to be in their employ they have to be paid to work there in order to be covered for insurance purposes (unless they are covered by a school etc).

There's no way I would work for free.
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from rebean
Old Jun 20, 2009, 02:58 PM

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The community college is covering the insurance. The three major hospitals- including Kaiser have adopted this policy.
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from ghillbert
Old Jun 20, 2009, 03:41 PM

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Oh, I bet they have!! It's a win-win if they get free workers!!
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Old Jun 22, 2009, 03:24 AM

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What part of California is the occurring in???? I know the other thread covering this same topic is in regards to a Northern California Sutter. Do you have to have attended the community college in order to participate???? I would be careful as this is uncharted territory. In the other thread, there was great concern that this might set a precedent that all new grads will one day need to work for free and it only goes downhill from there.
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Old Jun 22, 2009, 06:52 PM

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Hmm.... so the managers weren't fibbing me.... they really ARE starting to do this across the board.... Scary...
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from Bronx_RN
Old Jun 22, 2009, 07:12 PM

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Just goes to show how undervalued nurses are. Now we are expected to work for free post-licensure? What a sad state of affairs. Sorry but I wouldn't do it, especially since there is zero guarantee of a job at the end of working for free for 3 months. It's ridiculous, what kind of arrangement is this? I am also sure the facilities will use this free labor as an excuse to reduce staffing. Just think about it? You have a license so even though you will be supervised you count as a nurse on the unit and that is going to save the hospital plenty of money.

Sigh, of course desperate new RNs will go for it and next thing you know every new RN will be expected to work for free. Welcome to the race to the bottom. I wonder how long it's going to be before nurses are back to making the equivalent of a fast food worker?
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from Freedom42
Old Jun 22, 2009, 07:46 PM

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I question the legality of that arrangement. The Federal Labor Standards Act says an unemployer cannot use unpaid interns to displace regular employees. (Would you be used, for example, to provide summer vacation relief?) More specifically, the training has to be similar to that offered at a vocational school for a trainee to be unpaid. If you've graduated, haven't you gone beyond that point?

Here's a link for the rest of the criteria: http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/scope/er15.asp
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