Questions regarding Maricopa CC's Nursing program - page 7

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  1. by   peeesh
    hey azmom when did you apply??? i put my application in june.. still waiting.. lol
  2. by   AZmom
    I haven't yet. Will finish up prereqs this upcoming semester or early summer (haven't decided yet if I want to double up A&PII and Micro).
  3. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from AZmom
    How hellish is the drive to Globe? I hear windy mountain path and snow. Does it get bad during the winter?
    I've made that drive to Miami/Globe about a billion times from both ways (Phx and Tucson). I don't remember it being a windy wintery pass! LOL-it's still Az.
  4. by   newstudent2007
    Quote from Staric
    I never thought of that....That really stinks!:angryfire
    This may help you out with yuor place in line..... When I applied in MAY; there were about 500 on the list making me about 550 (give or take); They just took about 430, so I should be about 120ish... They will take 30 for Banner but those can be anyone so lets not count those.... There are a few schools that take in the summer (about 100 spots gone) leaving another 450 spots open for AUGUST. PEEESH- I bet you get in for AUGUST for sure....
    Did you know about 7 years ago- they took first come first serve- SO students had to camp out waiting for sunrise to get "in" like getting concert tickets.... to stop that madness, they came up with a lottey.. which of course sucked, so they do this now.. They may end up going back to a GPA system....
    Does anyone know the rationale for them NOT considering GPA in admission decisions? How about not just accepting someone who's passed the NET with a minimum score, but giving placement to students with the highest GPA and NET Scores? If the universities do so, I'd assume that the MCCCD schools could as well. It would be an added incentive for students to excel in their pre-reqs, and the schools would benefit by perhaps having a brighter class of qualified students, which might also translate into higher program completion rates, and ultimately, a higher pass rate on the nursing boards. Perhaps I'm just playing the devil's advocate, but it seems to be a question worthy of discussion.
  5. by   peeesh
    Quote from newstudent2007
    Does anyone know the rationale for them NOT considering GPA in admission decisions? How about not just accepting someone who's passed the NET with a minimum score, but giving placement to students with the highest GPA and NET Scores? If the universities do so, I'd assume that the MCCCD schools could as well. It would be an added incentive for students to excel in their pre-reqs, and the schools would benefit by perhaps having a brighter class of qualified students, which might also translate into higher program completion rates, and ultimately, a higher pass rate on the nursing boards. Perhaps I'm just playing the devil's advocate, but it seems to be a question worthy of discussion.

    I think that is a really dumb idea......If you wanted to attend a school where GPA mattered you could attend ASU, private nursing school, apply for MCCCD accelerated program, or even priority placement through a hospital. If you want to a place where GPA and NET scores matter there yah go. You are acting like all the people who applied passed the NET with minimal scores. You are dreaming. I think the community college has a good system, but there is too many applicants and not enough spots. A lot of people who attend community college are either full time students, students that are older coming back to school, also work, and may also have kids and families to attend to. Having a non-competitive atmosphere makes a better learning environment. It allowed me to get good grades and prepared me to be more confident taking tests. There is a lot of “bright” people who applied for the nursing school and there are a lot “qualified” students. Sure, there could be a few bad eggs in the bunch but isn’t that the case almost everywhere you go. There are different schools for different people some people may do better ASU while others may love community college. It’s all preference in what you want to do. Why would you want to attend MCCCD nursing schools anyways you seem all hung over about the GPA NET scores… ?…..Well if you have not even completed your preq’s they classes can get pretty demanding… I bet any nursing student can tell you they are bright class of qualified students or they wouldn’t become nurses...
    Last edit by peeesh on Nov 16, '06
  6. by   AZmom
    Quote from peeesh
    If you wanted to attend a school where GPA mattered you could attend ASU, private nursing school, apply for MCCCD accelerated program, or even priority placement through a hospital.
    Is there a separate application process for the MCCCD accelerated program? I was under the impression that was wait list as well. (Not that I'm interested in going accelerated, just curious is all.)
  7. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from newstudent2007
    Does anyone know the rationale for them NOT considering GPA in admission decisions? How about not just accepting someone who's passed the NET with a minimum score, but giving placement to students with the highest GPA and NET Scores? If the universities do so, I'd assume that the MCCCD schools could as well. It would be an added incentive for students to excel in their pre-reqs, and the schools would benefit by perhaps having a brighter class of qualified students, which might also translate into higher program completion rates, and ultimately, a higher pass rate on the nursing boards. Perhaps I'm just playing the devil's advocate, but it seems to be a question worthy of discussion.
    Most community colleges adhere to the philosophy of open access to education. There is a kind of social justice to this. While the university students war over their GPAs, volunteer work, recommendations, personal statements, and essays, the community colleges embrace the fact that one who has met the entrance requirements gets a chance to be a nurse in their programs. Yes, there might be a wait, but an average student with a 3.0 GPA isn't locked out. At the university, a 3.0 student is locked out of competitive programs. Let's think about this. Should a student who works hard, and meets the entrance requirements yet may only have a 2.5 or 3.0 be dismissed to a life without a profession? Community colleges say no. In fact students at community colleges tend to have much more severe hardships and challenges than their university peers. Think of CC's as society's 'leveler' as far as opportunity. I think that is fantastic when the rest of society just doesn't seem to be so concerned about social justice. The truth is, it doesn't take a 3.8 GPA to be a fantastic nurse. One of the best nurses I know graduated with a 2.3 GPA. He had to work full-time and he was poor. He was also plagued by PTSD from Vietnam. He didn't have the luxury of fussing over his volunteer work or his personal statement or his GPA. Him becoming an RN, and a good one, is just one example of social justice that the community colleges provide. Community colleges provide open access to education.

    Also, many community colleges rely upon Federal grant money to help disadvantaged populations. If they switched to GPA admission then enrollment for these disadvantaged populations would greatly decrease. Federal grant money would go away.
  8. by   AZmom
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    I've made that drive to Miami/Globe about a billion times from both ways (Phx and Tucson). I don't remember it being a windy wintery pass! LOL-it's still Az.
    Good to know! Hopefully I can take a trip that way in the next week or two.
  9. by   NewJA
    Quote from AZmom
    Good to know! Hopefully I can take a trip that way in the next week or two.
    Globe is a tiny desert mining town, last time I was there (3 yrs ago).

    Desert = no snow. The "pass" through the mountains into Globe is hardly a pass at all, and they barely qualify as mountains. Might get a couple inches of snow one day per winter, or maybe every few years.



    And I agree with that last post on community colleges... I think I may have griped about them not considering GPA recently, but that was just nonsense based on frustration.

    If GPA mattered at CCs, I would never have gotten into one in the first place, and that is how I got my first degree, which lked to my getting into a university.

    My CC did not even require a H.S. diploma - they gave you a GED after completing 24 credit hrs of the regular college classes. Once I heard of that program, I dropped H.S. immediately and went to college.
  10. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from Jeff A
    And I agree with that last post on community colleges... I think I may have griped about them not considering GPA recently, but that was just nonsense based on frustration.

    If GPA mattered at CCs, I would never have gotten into one in the first place, and that is how I got my first degree, which lked to my getting into a university.

    My CC did not even require a H.S. diploma - they gave you a GED after completing 24 credit hrs of the regular college classes. Once I heard of that program, I dropped H.S. immediately and went to college.
    I know what you mean. Even though I agree with what I posted above - I recently had a whining fit/breakdown about the waitlists for nursing school. I think I was whining..."why can't they admit based upon GPA? I'd be in a nursing program already!"
  11. by   CrazyPremed
    I can definitely understand the philosophy behind not using GPA's and NET scores for acceptance to CC's.

    Realistically, the nursing programs ARE competitive, and to be fair, GPA and NET scores should factor into a decision. When there are 800 people waiting for 400 seats, those who have performed better should come first. I realize that people going to CC's do have to work and have other priorities. I understand this as a career changing adult applying to nursing school. I also realize that Nursing - like all science and health care fields - is rooted in academics and science. Every semester students are kicked out of nursing school because they can not academically handle the requirements. Honestly, should a student who has had to repeat A&P 1 twice, and micro once be given priority over the student with a Bachelor's in biology and two years work experience as a CNA? I think not.

    With the competition, I truly feel that nursing schools will become more and more competitive. If they were, those people doing well in school will not have to wait, and those who can't/won't do what they need to do or don't have the talent will get the extra time needed by being denied admissions. The caliper of nurses will rise, and the non-graduating numbers will drop. To think that a student who - for whatever justified/nonjustified reason - can do poorly in the prereqs, but will become Sally Student once she is accepted to nursing school is a stretch. If a person can't/is not willing to learn Kreb's cycle or the physiology of the kidney, what makes us think that they will excel at narcotic medication administration or health assessment skills. Just my two cents.

    It would be interesting to know the correlation of medication/nursing errors to nursing GPA and net scores. I wonder if there is one. If not, then scores shouldn't be a concern, even at the university level. If so, they should factor in everywhere. Hmmm...

    Let the flames begin.

    CrazyPremed
    Last edit by CrazyPremed on Nov 18, '06
  12. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from multicollinarity
    Most community colleges adhere to the philosophy of open access to education. There is a kind of social justice to this. While the university students war over their GPAs, volunteer work, recommendations, personal statements, and essays, the community colleges embrace the fact that one who has met the entrance requirements gets a chance to be a nurse in their programs. Yes, there might be a wait, but an average student with a 3.0 GPA isn't locked out. At the university, a 3.0 student is locked out of competitive programs. Let's think about this. Should a student who works hard, and meets the entrance requirements yet may only have a 2.5 or 3.0 be dismissed to a life without a profession? Community colleges say no. In fact students at community colleges tend to have much more severe hardships and challenges than their university peers. Think of CC's as society's 'leveler' as far as opportunity. I think that is fantastic when the rest of society just doesn't seem to be so concerned about social justice. The truth is, it doesn't take a 3.8 GPA to be a fantastic nurse. One of the best nurses I know graduated with a 2.3 GPA. He had to work full-time and he was poor. He was also plagued by PTSD from Vietnam. He didn't have the luxury of fussing over his volunteer work or his personal statement or his GPA. Him becoming an RN, and a good one, is just one example of social justice that the community colleges provide. Community colleges provide open access to education.

    Also, many community colleges rely upon Federal grant money to help disadvantaged populations. If they switched to GPA admission then enrollment for these disadvantaged populations would greatly decrease. Federal grant money would go away.

    Just because someone has a 4.0 doesn't mean that they can afford to go to a university or that they have the time in their lives for such a program. Althought I had a great GPA, if it wasn't for Pima, I wouldn't be a nurse. That's why I have always believed that some seats should be held for GPA/experience students at the CC level. It will never happen, but why not hold like 10 seats for these people? I was 29 and unmarried when I started NS. I worked as a PCT, and although it didn't pay enough, it paid too much and as a result I didn't qualify for a lot of Finacial aid. In addition, I was not willing to go into debt over school. If I hadn't been accepted by Pima, or if I had to wait the 3 years that Pima students down here in Tucson are being forced to wait, then I would have just chosen a different career.

    CC's aren't just for people with a less than competetive GPA.
  13. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Just because someone has a 4.0 doesn't mean that they can afford to go to a university or that they have the time in their lives for such a program. Althought I had a great GPA, if it wasn't for Pima, I wouldn't be a nurse. That's why I have always believed that some seats should be held for GPA/experience students at the CC level. It will never happen, but why not hold like 10 seats for these people? I was 29 and unmarried when I started NS. I worked as a PCT, and although it didn't pay enough, it paid too much and as a result I didn't qualify for a lot of Finacial aid. In addition, I was not willing to go into debt over school. If I hadn't been accepted by Pima, or if I had to wait the 3 years that Pima students down here in Tucson are being forced to wait, then I would have just chosen a different career.

    CC's aren't just for people with a less than competetive GPA.
    I agree with what you said about the 4.0 student, GPA and community college. Hey, that's me!

    I didn't mean that CC's are just for people with a less than competitive GPA. Although do they also help those in that situation, too.

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