Nearly $5 million will go to train new Arizona nurses - page 3

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i read several journals and this one caught my eye and felt the need to share with all of you... "the phoenix business journal's matt haldane explains how nearly $5 million will be spread across several different groups as... Read More


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    "Banner will identify the people within its organization it thinks will make good candidates for a Bachelor of Science degree in nursing. Those participants will be educated at the Arizona State University College of Nursing.
    To “fill the void” left behind by the Banner staff moving up, Castillo said Chicanos por la Causa and Maricopa Workforce Connection will work to identify new candidates looking to start careers in health care."

    Wow, so they are recruiting internally? Story of the AZ healthcare system. You need to know someone to get in anywhere. That is so frustrating! And 700 RNs, about 800 RNs are produced every sesmster here.
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    They can spend $20 million and there will always be enough hours/work to go around - especially as the economy improves. Until you carve out an acceptable niche in this profession, floor nursing is a terrible job with high turnover. Yes, it is tougher to get a job as a new grad - but much easier than the vast majority of fields. I have never had a problem getting my hours and my overtime - even in the worst of the recession when we were overstaffed to the hilt. In fact, my pay has consistently risen every year. Bloomberg says it best, "As the economy improves, and the mostly married, female workforce quits, reduces working hours to part time or reaches retirement age, a shortage of nurses is expected again."

    I bolded the significant statement. Part-time is the dream of my mostly married, female co-workers. If the situation is so dire - form a union. That is the only way to control supply and demand, as well as working conditions. We chose to live in a 'right to work state.' Deal with it or leave (not that I am a fan of right to work).
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    Quote from cariad
    I was amazed when I heard this on the local news. I preceptor student nurses and none of them ever have any hopes about being employed. Their attitude is that there is no point in applying until after they take their boards, and will take any position just to get into obtaining that magical "one year's experience neccessary" for every job that is posted...
    With attitudes like that, they will never get jobs...

    Problem with today's students (i.e., kids) they want the job but want it handed to them.
    As for the experience part, yes and no. Volunteering at the hospitals can help get in the door, then you have to WORK to get the job.

    And sometimes, you have to take GUNT work. It sucks, but if you want the experience that is how you have to get it sometimes.

    Just kinda the facts of life
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    The hospitals in Phoenix have no one to blame but themselves for their nursing shortage. As Banner placed on their
    nurse employment site. New Grads need not apply. As older well experienced nurses at the high end of the salary range
    can't get jobs either and if they are working get harrassed beyond belief and eventually quit. As the stress builds on units
    it is a well known fact by older high paid nurses their nurse managers will lie about these nurses to get them off their
    budget and save their own butts. Nurses need to speak up. Remember, nurses don't need the hospitals. The hospitals need
    the nurses otherwise they can't function. Nursing is viewed by the hospitals as an "expense" and not a n asset. Nurses need
    a union in Arizona and they need to speak up for the profession. Arizona nurses also need a forum where they can talk
    about these subjects without retallation. So let Arizona spend 5 million on training new nurses. The rest of the country
    can really benefit from this. All I have to say is remember health care is big business with CEOS making hundreds of
    thousands a year in salaries if not sometimes millions. ARIZONA NURSES UNIONIZE UNIONIZE UNIONIZE
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    Quote from madeinamerica
    The hospitals in Phoenix have no one to blame but themselves for their nursing shortage. As Banner placed on their
    nurse employment site. New Grads need not apply. As older well experienced nurses at the high end of the salary range
    can't get jobs either and if they are working get harrassed beyond belief and eventually quit. As the stress builds on units
    it is a well known fact by older high paid nurses their nurse managers will lie about these nurses to get them off their
    budget and save their own butts. Nurses need to speak up. Remember, nurses don't need the hospitals. The hospitals need
    the nurses otherwise they can't function. Nursing is viewed by the hospitals as an "expense" and not a n asset. Nurses need
    a union in Arizona and they need to speak up for the profession. Arizona nurses also need a forum where they can talk
    about these subjects without retallation. So let Arizona spend 5 million on training new nurses. The rest of the country
    can really benefit from this. All I have to say is remember health care is big business with CEOS making hundreds of
    thousands a year in salaries if not sometimes millions. ARIZONA NURSES UNIONIZE UNIONIZE UNIONIZE
    In nursing school I recall a nursing instructor telling me that the ideal nurse for an AZ hospital has 2 years of experience. Not a new grad, so the hospital doesn't have to invest time and money in training. Not a really experienced nurse because they'll be higher on a pay-scale and stretch the budget. And those really experienced nurses...they have enough experience to call BS when they see it. Really experienced nurses are a force to be reckoned with that weak managers don't want to deal with.

    As far as AZ investing in producing new grad RNs - I've seen many new grads leaving for New Mexico and Texas. Why are Arizonans paying to fund AZ nursing programs that feed new nurses into New Mexico and Texas? I had to leave myself, 2 years ago. That the "nursing shortage" mantra is still echoed just shows whose vested interests are being protected - and it's not the nurses or taxpayers.
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    Most of the articles you see in business publications like Bloomberg are based on studies done by David Auerbach, Douglas Staiger, and Peter Buerhaus. They work hand in glove with the AACN and the ANA. I'd suggest people look at their history of accurately predicting what occurs in the nursing employment market before deciding whether they should be treated as though their statements are as truth delivered from on high.


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