Discuss: Premium Membership and recent changes to the forums - page 7

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please use this thread to discuss this announcement: premium membership and recent changes to the forums thanks admin note added: after further consideration, it would have been better to give a warning, so i will be... Read More


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    Quote from gwenith
    I know soooo little about bandwidth and bandwidth usage. What little I do know though is that it is not just things like the long word game threads but also pictures and worse is when pictures posted here are linked by some fly-by-nighter to another board somewhere then that starts chewing up bandwidth.
    Makes sense to me.

    How about a poll? I bet the members would rather have access to the break room and current events forums (fora? forii?) and do without arcade games, word games, being able to post pictures, maybe even emoticons! (We used to just type those puppies out like this: ;^) remember?)

    I'd be very supportive of cutting the items that let marrauders eat up the bandwidth, and maybe making the arcade, etc. available to premium members.... But posting in the breakroom and current events, man, that's basic.

    For many of us, this is a lifeline, a contact with the outside world, a collection of friends who understand us, and whom we understand, like no other.

    The vast majority of other BB's are free, paid for by sponsors. Can't the sponsors kick in enough to keep us afloat?
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    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    Makes sense to me.

    How about a poll? I bet the members would rather have access to the break room and current events forums (fora? forii?) and do without arcade games, word games, being able to post pictures, maybe even emoticons! (We used to just type those puppies out like this: ;^) remember?)

    I'd be very supportive of cutting the items that let marrauders eat up the bandwidth, and maybe making the arcade, etc. available to premium members.... But posting in the breakroom and current events, man, that's basic.

    For many of us, this is a lifeline, a contact with the outside world, a collection of friends who understand us, and whom we understand, like no other.

    The vast majority of other BB's are free, paid for by sponsors. Can't the sponsors kick in enough to keep us afloat?
    Ditto here
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    Quote from Nurse Ratched
    The problem with that is that it's not a general nursing topic. Part of our jobs as mods is to make some sort of effort to keep topics sorted out. Allowing non-nursing topics in the nursing forums would invite more. That can be very frustrating for the many posters who come here just to discuss nursing issues. We've also made a conscious effort to keep the more controversial non-nursing news stories in the current events forum to keep the break room a lighter place.
    If say in today's issues we were discussing what a bad load we had,

    Man work was just terrible I had a whiner all night that just wanted me in the room etc

    and then next poster came along and said I hear ya the whiners are the worst

    I had a pretty good shift,not too bad a load etc.
    and if someone offers a cyber cup o Joe or some comfort food in the mix what is the harm?
    does this qualify as general nursing?
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    I have had a lot of different emotions about this issue. So- for what it's worth:

    I have belonged to allnurses for a few years, but am not much to post a lot. Then I left here (mostly) to belong to another BB. That particular BB was free for about a year. Then the mod did just what Brian has now done. I see a lot of BB's doing this - keeping some areas free, but charging if you want full access. And the locked out areas tend to be those "fun" ones that are not within the original idea of the BB's formation. Therefore, I have no problem with the idea of charging. Karen points out a valid point about the cost being overall very cheap.

    Secondly, the BB I mentioned above was free of "censorship" by the mods. Then what arises is the people are free to flame you unmercifully. I, for one, do not belong to any BB in order to be called on the carpet about my thoughts and contributions. If something I post is wrong, then point it out w/o also calling me ignorant and a waste of good O2! So I also agree with a bit of order w/in the BB. Call it censorship if you like. I do not.

    Third, I want to let Brian know I understand about the cost of running a BB. My DH & I ran one for about ten years in the days before the current BB's. The Boards were dial-in and most of them were not even "live". The Admins had to buy a separate phone number and line for each access to their customers. The Admins downloaded the information from the Usenets (or the Internet later on) and then had to MANUALLY INSERT every topic and posting d/l into the proper areas within their particular BB! (That happened to be my "job" on our BB.) The Members all paid a fee to belong. Our BB charged a scaled fee that gave you either basic access, or a second,third or fourth level access. Now I am talking about the 1980's ---- and we charged $15.00 a year for basic back then!

    The cost of running the BB was just about evenly paid for by our memberships. We NEVER "made money" on this venture. (It was a good tax write-off, however!) We had a satellite dish to use to d/l the usenets and various news and topic files. And we had an enormous amount of hardware to keep running (because back then we had to for example have a separate modem for each phone line to access the BB!). We were accused of and thought to be earning a "ton" of money by this "business". But I think what we really earned in ten years was a lot of computer savvy and knowledge. Now our son is a programmer and that was a direct result of helping build networks with his dad.

    Does anyone remember a BB in the 1980's in Ohio and surrounding states called "The Vault" ? That was us! When the local phone company began offering Internet access, we then sold out our business, because we could not offer "live" access to the 'net and we knew our "death" was around the corner.

    The cost is also in your time and energy --- and that is huge! And worth something also. BTW-we had a "Lifetime" membership to The Vault. And we charged $300.00 for it. And we had several people who bought it.

    I *do* like the idea of setting up a "scholarship" that we who can afford it could donate a few $$ to. Then persons who cannot afford the fee could petition (in private) to Brian to use some of the money to pay their yearly fee.

    Anyhoo ------ The result of this has me deciding to pay the $24. I want to remain a member here and feel it is well worth the money. I will just skip Bath & Bodyworks this month! :chuckle
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    Quote from Marie_LPN
    My only arguement would have been the sudden spring-up of the changes, however that was fixed.

    My plan was to become a paid member next month, anyway, since by then i would have the extra money. But i can swing it now.



    And above all, this isn't my own personal site, so i don't feel that i have the right to complain about what i got for free for the past year and a half.. The owner will run it however they choose to and for whatever's the best interest, they are the one that invest the time, thought, and money to getting it started in the first place, and if i didn't like it, i didn't have to stay.

    Not saying that to be mean, just the way i feel
    Well said Marie, I agree. Why should Brian be expected to shoulder the entire cost of running the website when many spend literally hours a day here? He's explained his reasons; it's becoming less affordable. I agree it was a little abrupt, but he's agreed to extend the deadline to January. I'm surprised and disappointed at some of the responses I've read here.
    Thanks for Allnurses, Brian, it's a great site!
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    Let's see, $24 for a year's membership. If that is going to be tough on some people, which I have read, don't join for two months. Each week put three dollars away in a secret spot. After two months...there is your twenty four dollars. I would feel safe to say there is three dollars a week we all spend on something we do not need in order to live.

    If two dollars a month is not worth the membership to you, don't pay it. I have read how important this site is to many here. I am sure people are wasting two bucks a month on much more that means less to them.

    I am sure I will get flamed for this, but the money argument seems selfish to me and unfair to Brian. Why should he have to foot the bill (large or small) for a site that brings so much to others?
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    the assertion
    "current events is non-nursing related"
    never fails to give me a chuckle!!!

    current events
    problems and solutions
    shape our health and well being

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    This is not really about money, and it's not about fairness.

    This is Brian's business, and we are the consumers. It was advertised as free, and let's not forget, it still is, just not the current events and break room part.

    That said, there are sponsors gallore on these pages, and that where the support presumably should be coming from.

    We put up with the ads and the delay (short as it is) in getting the screen going so all the ads can line up across the top and down the side, because they are paying Brian to put those ads here, so we will see them.

    This is just like commercials on TV. We don't like them, but we'd like paying by the show or by the channel even less.

    Unless that was the deal.....

    I can live with out the break room. I've never much cared for the current events forum--too hot in there for me.

    There are those who will "vote with their sneakers" (leave and not come back). If there are enough to keep the number of hits high enough that the sponsors keep paying, plus people willing to pay for the premium membership, Brian makes out. And good for him. This is, after all, a business.

    But, if enough of us active posters take our hits elsewhere (or nowhere, just not here), presumably the sponsors will notice. (Magazine subscriptions work like this as well--not enough circulation, advertisers won't be interested in paying, and the mag goes down the tubes.)

    If a BB in the past, before DSL and the bandwidth explosion, didn't make money or just broke even, let's remember that sponsoring (advertising) wasn't then what it is now.

    And nurses weren't then what we are now, in terms of having disposable income.

    It's a big picture. I say Brian can do what he wants. I'm still here, I was disappointed at the timing, because of the Christmas Card activity being located in the BR, but that's fixed.

    I can go or I can stay. But I probably won't pay and put up with the ads. But that's just my thing.
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    There are ads on here? :chuckle

    Truly, I don't even notice them. And I have to admit I've never even clicked on one. Guess I'll have to remember that they help pay the bills and start noticing and click on one or two.

    I just spent $15 on a latte and three sandwiches.

    $24 for a whole year seems very reasonable to me. If it is tough for some, I think the idea of putting aside a buck or two (hey, what about all that loose change on your dresser?) for a few weeks will get most of us the $24.

    steph
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    If you get rid of the arcades, it's going to bother the people that go there.

    I had my own website for 3 years. Ads did NOT completely cover the cost of it, and it wasn't even REMOTELY as big as this one, so i can't imagine how much this one costs, knowing how much my own personal one was, THREE years ago.

    This will be my last post on this thread, and this will be my last statment on it, because it's just a simple issue for me: I'm not the one that spends my free time redesigning things, dealing with the bandwidth, paying for the software, the domain, working on all of this for free, dealing with out-of-line posts/threads, etc., etc., and most of all i don't own this site, and i made the decision to pay to be here, and if i didn't like something about it, i won't put up an arguement about it unless any of the above applied to me or my membership.

    Have a nice day.
    Last edit by Marie_LPN, RN on Dec 8, '04


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