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This is exactly how I feel each time I log into the International Forum. I don't feel welcome as a foreign born nurse. I don't feel respected as a minority in this country. All I feel is the hatred and insults thrown at us simply because we are not Americans.

So let's talk about it, since threads were locked and posts were deleted because they were "out of the topic" hence we could not freely express and justify how we feel about the criticisms on foreign born and/or foreign trained nurses. Each and every time I read something that "put down" certain minorities, it makes me feel sick to my stomach. Being discriminated all my life, I truly understand how other foreign nurses, especially the Filipino nurses, feel. No, you simply won't understand if you were not in our shoes.

Every one has his/her point of view on certain issues, but attacking, criticizing and (worst) making generalizations of other races, cultures and beliefs is just not right, insensitive and ethnocentric. Yes, we are immigrants, but you don't have to yell it to our face. The US would not have prosper if not for the immigrants. Don't forget your family or ancestors were once immigrants as well, unless you are Native Americans. So you have no rights to ask us get out if we are legally here, unless this is your native land. Remember, America is the land of opportunity that were built through slavery from Africa and Asia.

I wonder sometimes, how could you be a professional nurse if you are culturally insensitive? How could you offer the best care if all you think is your own self and your own beliefs, and disregard other culture and belief systems? I see nurses here with 30 plus years of experience do not practice the basic fundamental of nursing. Maybe they should go back to square one and learn it from Potter and Perry.

This IS an International forum. This forum is for every one regardless of age, gender, color, etc. If you say something culturally insensitive in other forum, maybe we will think that you are just plain stupid or has never been out of the country. But, if you are persistently saying something that insult and disgrace other cultures, races, nationality and etc, I think something should be done by the moderators...unless the moderators themselves are not sensitive enough on this issue as well.

Well, Merry Christmas everyone (no, I'm not Christian...but I know many are here) and thank you for listening.

I am sick of the negative attitude on this board and as moderators I feel it is their job to be BALANCED and IMPARTIAL to everyone not just constantly feeding the negitivity with doom gloom and go to another country statements.

I agree again.

It seems like this is the tone set by a few monitors, especially in the Philippine Section.

They set the tone, and the rest of the board follows.

FYI - I only read Philippine/International/Texas section, so that is what I base my opinion on..

try to broaden your thinking and view things in all aspects and take all the comments as a way of reminding you that in this world, what you may think an believe is right, may not be true to others. that you must understand.

happy x-mas

i think both sides have to think this way.

to be honest, i agree that some foreign nurses are a bit persuasive on their dream career in the us but that is their choice and theirs alone. some posters from america, often misunderstand this attitude and choice of foreign trained nurses. they fail to see that these nurses know what they are getting in to but still would like to try their luck/chance even if the economy is not stable and even if there is retrogression - they don't want to give up that chance. but the way some people try to push the "idea" to other foreign trained nurses which they believe is right is way too much for them too. the way i see it, if the foreign trained nurse wouldn't follow the advice of other people, they might get bashed or ganged up. one cannot push someone to do what they think they should do - or even try to indirectly make them do what they want them to. if they don't want to follow the advice, let them be - it is their choice after all.

i understand that the americans are the ones who will be affected if these so called incompetent foreign nurses come to their country, but i don't see why they don't feel that us trained nurses can also be incompetent. all nurses (foreign or local trained) will go through the same exams and screening so i don't see the point why they still think that in spite of passing all the qualifications required, they still brand some foreign trained nurses as incompetent. if they feel that foreign trained nurses are that bad, they should probably address their concerns to the proper authority and not to the foreign nurses.

i understand too that people in the us are now facing so much and that they may be too stressed out about the situation and may sometimes project their frustrations to someone else in this forum but i don't think this should be an excuse - we all go through our own hardships, but it doesn't mean that it is okay to project it or that it is excusable every time. other people get hurt too and honestly, its not fair to them to take all the negative effects just because someone is frustrated or badly affected by the us current situation. all of us, i think, might want to try our best to control ourselves - review whatever we will post.

just think of it this way, if nobody is doing anything over the line, then how come there are so many people who are being affected negatively? anyway, i think maybe all of us can try to adjust our patience and understanding a lil bit. then maybe, just maybe we will be able to live harmoniously here. :)

also, i would just like to add that the whole forum is not bad - only some parts of it.

i hope things will get a lil bit better later on and i wish everyone a merry christmas~ :)

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I think both sides have to think this way.

Also, I would just like to add that the whole forum is not bad - only some parts of it.

I hope things will get a lil bit better later on and I wish everyone a Merry Christmas~ :)

I have to agree with you this time.

At the end of the day, we must realize that all the messages posted here are highly opinionated (though it has some facts as well) and does not in any way mean, you have to believe and carry out OUR advices,opinions or whatever. If you think we are not making any sense, then be it.

Since this is an open forum, I assume freedom to state what we think is rightful should not be questioned for as long as we are not violating the TOS of this site.

I still stand with the fact that the moderators and some members of this site (Including ME) are still maintaining our impartiality. Being objective as I can, I couldn't find any posts that are racially discriminating.

I am putting myself OFF from this site, till everthing will COOL off. I am so much aware that a lot of my countrymen FILIPINOs, had feel bad for what I've been constantly posting. I feel sorry and is asking for an apology if I ever offended anyone with my posts.

Again, Merry Christmas, and till then.:saint:

Yeah.. just moderately discriminating..

Is this just about nurses from the Phillipines or can any foreign nurse join in?

I'm a foreign nurse working here (from the UK) and when I was just starting out on my immigration journey, this site was worth its weight in gold to me. The information and help I got from members and moderators was invaluable. I was guided every step of the way on how to deal with immigration issues. I was never made to feel unwelcome or inferior.

I work in a hospital which employs many foreign nurses. One thing I've noticed is when a new group of nurses arrive (mainly from the Phillipines and India) they are looked after extremely well. They are met at the airport, given free accommodation for 2 months, taken to wherever they need to go as they don't have their own transport. When I first arrived, I was very much on my own and left to arrange everything myself....no financial or accommodation help for me. But I didn't expect it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, from where I'm standing, nurses who come here from the Phillipines and India have an easy ride compared to some of us. I just can't see how you can feel discriminated against.

I understand that the Americans are the ones who will be affected if these so called incompetent foreign nurses come to their Country, but I don't see why they don't feel that US trained nurses can also be incompetent.

Venture into other parts of the site. Believe me when I say that we do not think that "only" foreign nurses can be or are incompetent or, indeed, that even most are. There's a lot here about the general belief that nursing training, period, is degenerating.

:)

I have been a member of this wonderful site for more than two years now and when ever I have an opportuniy to chat with fellow filipino nurses, I make it a point to inform them about allnurses.com, I guess it makes me one of its promoters.hehe.

But there are also instances that they already knew of this site,and how it has become an "anti-filipino".They believe that some of the moderators here are bias.Though I regret to hear that, I still believe that the forums in general have helped a lot of nurses worldwide in their inquiries and often confuse situations.

The reality is, we can not dictate and control the minds of this people,they can actually say whatever they want,they have the liberty of doing that,however, we should also not allow the words of certain people to pull us down, we are better than that, and we truly know ourselves and capabilities.We do not have to prove ourselves ,all the time.

It is sometimes ironic, that we our united in giving the bestcare for our clients and yet,we failed to help our own fellow nurses who are in need, so much insensitivity.

Its holiday season, the site has a "new" look..Hope members and visitors in this site may see the truest beauty and purpose of allnurses,as well as the UPCOMING changes.

Godbless us all NURSES! where ever you may be. :heartbeat

Is this just about nurses from the Phillipines or can any foreign nurse join in?

I'm a foreign nurse working here (from the UK) and when I was just starting out on my immigration journey, this site was worth its weight in gold to me. The information and help I got from members and moderators was invaluable. I was guided every step of the way on how to deal with immigration issues. I was never made to feel unwelcome or inferior.

I work in a hospital which employs many foreign nurses. One thing I've noticed is when a new group of nurses arrive (mainly from the Phillipines and India) they are looked after extremely well. They are met at the airport, given free accommodation for 2 months, taken to wherever they need to go as they don't have their own transport. When I first arrived, I was very much on my own and left to arrange everything myself....no financial or accommodation help for me. But I didn't expect it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, from where I'm standing, nurses who come here from the Phillipines and India have an easy ride compared to some of us. I just can't see how you can feel discriminated against.

Hello Letina :)

I think the OP's concern is this forum and not the actual situation in the US. It is more of the posts/comments written by some members. If you could browse through the international and philippine sections of the forums, there are several threads which have this not so nice atmosphere. I have to agree though, that still majority of the posters in this site are very helpful and the forum itself should not be labeled as bad or completely discriminating/unhelpful. There are just some parts that is a bit bad.

Advance Happy Holidays~

Venture into other parts of the site. Believe me when I say that we do not think that "only" foreign nurses can be or are incompetent or, indeed, that even most are. There's a lot here about the general belief that nursing training, period, is degenerating.

:)

I believe you SuesquatchRN :) I'm pointing out that some of the posters who are merely emphasizing on how bad a foreign trained nurse is, most especially Filipinos and talking about how good the US trained nurses are - emphasizing how inferior foreign trained nurses are compared to local trained. It just hurts sometimes when I read those comments because we all went through that 4 years of study and it has not been easy then later on to be labeled in general as incompetent just because I graduated from the Philippines.

But like what I always say, not all of the posters are bad and should bot be dragged along too. Most of the posters are unbiased and there are just some who for some reason are sometimes being hurtful and insensitive.

I believe you SuesquatchRN :) I'm pointing out that some of the posters who are merely emphasizing on how bad a foreign trained nurse is, most especially Filipinos and talking about how good the US trained nurses are - emphasizing how inferior foreign trained nurses are compared to local trained. It just hurts sometimes when I read those comments because we all went through that 4 years of study and it has not been easy then later on to be labeled in general as incompetent just because I graduated from the Philippines.

But like what I always say, not all of the posters are bad and should bot be dragged along too. Most of the posters are unbiased and there are just some who for some reason are sometimes being hurtful and insensitive.

Aelith, you have to realize that there are, really, only a few posters who barge into just about every thread and do that. I have observed this, too, but it's such a small number of people that I think it would behoove you all to learn to ignore them or, better yet, put them on "ignore" so that you don't even see their posts.

It *is* hurtful. I work with a nurse who doesn't think that anyone should be allowed to become a nurse except the way she did. When she make a snarky comment to me last week I was offended and she at least had the grace to apologize to me - of course, while defending her position. :banghead:

Really, the ignore feature is your friend. It does not work if someone quotes them, but if no one gives them any attention they'll either go away or get so frustrated that they escalate into a TOS violation and will end up banned.

It's hard. Someone got on my nerves so badly recently that I ended up getting points for insulting her in a thread. Was it worth it? Kinda, but mostly I was annoyed at myself for taking the bait, y'know?

Don't allow people to bring you down.

:redbeathe

Aelith, you have to realize that there are, really, only a few posters who barge into just about every thread and do that. I have observed this, too, but it's such a small number of people that I think it would behoove you all to learn to ignore them or, better yet, put them on "ignore" so that you don't even see their posts.

It *is* hurtful. I work with a nurse who doesn't think that anyone should be allowed to become a nurse except the way she did. When she make a snarky comment to me last week I was offended and she at least had the grace to apologize to me - of course, while defending her position. :banghead:

Really, the ignore feature is your friend. It does not work if someone quotes them, but if no one gives them any attention they'll either go away or get so frustrated that they escalate into a TOS violation and will end up banned.

It's hard. Someone got on my nerves so badly recently that I ended up getting points for insulting her in a thread. Was it worth it? Kinda, but mostly I was annoyed at myself for taking the bait, y'know?

Don't allow people to bring you down.

:redbeathe

That is true. ;) And really, I haven't posted or commented on those type of stuff at all except here. I believe too that one try to ignore that then maybe they will just stop and that is why I don't really want to try and defend over and over before. But I think that also, some people can't tolerate it anymore especially when they are making their own threads and completely in a different topic, but lo and behold, here comes the people again trying to bring the same issue over and over which is entirely a different story. At least that is what I have observed, although I know too that we all have different tolerance levels and some may just snap in one hurtful comment - simple defense mechanism.

Both sides have their own faults and I think it shouldn't really be blamed on one side only and most importantly drag every other American posters or foreign trained posters. I'd like to apologize too if my previous posts did hurt anybody - it was meant only to clarify some misunderstandings that I have observed.

I think this thread has helped reach out to those people involved (both sides) and hopefully things will be better later on. Let's try to leave all the negative stuff in this thread and start anew from here too. ;)

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I have to agree that there does seem to be some hostility towards overseas nurses hoping to come to the US. I see people who express there feelings that something good will happen soon re, the immigration process, shot down in flames and critised. It may well be true that with retrogression in place it may well take many years, but there are those who "hope" for it to be a lot quicker. They may have misplaced hope and maybe setting themselves up for dissapointment - but there are some individuals that seem to take delight in trying to hurt those with that hope.

After saying that I'm now going to upset some myself when I say my next bit. From what I understand it would seem that nurses in some countries only become nurses to leave the country of their birth and it would seem that the nurse education in some countries in intentionally based on the US model. When I wanted to become a nurse it was because I wanted to be a nurse - nothing more than that. I have wanted to come to the US to live for about 10 years but have only recently made a committment to doing so. I am fortunate to have a profession to allow me to at least explore this desire, and I may or may not fulfill this - time will tell. I too hope it will happen sooner rather than later, but in the meant time I am embarking on my Masters. Either way I'm moving upward and onward - in the UK or the US.

Something that does frustrate me is when some individuals stay after their visa has expired - then posting about it here. Or those who enquire about sitting NCLEX but don't want to sit their own countys licensure exam, that would say to me that they don't really want to be a nurse? It comes across that there are some who just want to be in the US regardless and that the primary purpose of becoming a nurse is to come to the US - that would frustrate people - especially US born nurses.

In the UK I have worked with nursess from overseas and have been impressed by their knowledge and skills they have gained after years of experience in their own country. What I see on AN is that some who have no intention of doing just that and feel that being an RN is a ticket to the US - I'm sure thay are in the minority but it is the comments from these that only serves to feed the negative image of overseas nurses.

Hope I haven't caused any offence to anyone, as non was intended. Jane

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