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- 1Jun 25, '08 by suzanne4Quote from loreinThat is something that only you can decide. The retrogression is not going to be over in five years with the number of people wishing to work in the US, it is only going to get worse for many. Demand far exceeds the number of visas available per year.hi i would like to know if it's a smart decision to apply for nclex now knowing that it will take 5 yrs to have a visa to fly to US due ti\o retrogression
You would not be applying for the NCLEX exam, there is no way to do that. You will be applying for licensure as an RN to a state where you are interested in working.
That being said, you have to pass the NCLEX exam in order to get hired and then be able to start the petitioning process. But be aware that you are going to need to look at going to another country to get experience as we are expecting the US to require experience as well as the local license as they did when the CGFNS exam was required for all.
- 0Jun 25, '08 by suzanne4Quote from ProminSorry, but not true. The US has never increased the number of visas for the EB-3 category. The Schedule A only used visas that were reabsorbed that we not used but additional visas have never been created for this category.I think that wait time of 5+ years is possible for people from India, China, Mexico, and Philippines. For all others I think it should not exceed 3 years. And the U.S. Government may increase the number of visas available in some near future too.
And as long as there are areas where there are not going to be current visas,then the retrogression continues. Demand is far exceeding supply a tthis time. Even if you look at some of the smaller countries, they are maxed out on the number that they can send here per year as well.
And then look at all of the nurses that have been waiting for three years from the UK and you will see what I am talking about. Do not just look at things now, but how things have been over the past ten years as well as the significant increase in the number of nurses that wish to work in the US. And you will find a completely different picture.
The bill that is before the House right now only has 20,000 visas in it per year, similar to the Schedule A, except that spouses and children will not be counted in the numbers but will still get a visa. That is only a drop in the scheme of things when you take into account those that alredy have completed petitions and have been just waiting for a green card number to be available for them.
For those that have not started the petitioning process as of yet, then the wait is going to be even longer than the five years. Just do the math and you will see what we are talking about.
And then expect the US to require experience in a paying job as most other countries do, and that is going to take quite a few out of the equation at the very least.
- 0Jun 25, '08 by ProminWhat is "not true"? Anything may happen in the future. The current quotas has not been changed for over ten years and simply does not meet the requirement of businesses. Besides, because of the way USCIS works over 200,000 EB visa numbers had been wasted over the last ten years. In my opinion EB quota will increase in the the couple of years and there are some positive signs that that USCIS is serious about not wasting any more visa numbers in the future. And even if the current system will stay the same the EB3 for most countries will become current in the next 2-3 years anyway (for those who filed in July 07 and earlier except for India, China, Mexico, and Philippines).Last edit by Promin on Jun 25, '08
- 0Jun 26, '08 by suzanne4Actually the EB3 numbers have not increased or varied in years, and expect things to get worse in some cases and not better.
Suggest that you track down on the computer Lou Dobb's show from the last two days on CNN. There have been many issues going on with the H1-B visas and the visas are all being investigated now. They are only good for a total of six years and many have overstayed that time and never left as well as the fact that only 11% of them have gone to specialists, what they were designed for, and the fact that 80% have gone essentially do people that were being outsourced thru several Indian firms.
There is now a big investigation going on with this, so expect to see some things happen and tighten up everything, not make it better. One of the largest immigration law firms in the US is now also being investigated.
I have been watching what has been going on for about 25 years and quite closely and am basing what I say each and every day on what I have seen and what I have read and after talking with many immigration attorneys, ones that I trust. And this is their take on things as well.
One person reading some articles or things on the internet is not able to make an accurate assumption of what is going on here, and also you are not even in the US; or a citizen here, so you have to abide by what is going on here. Not what you want to see happen.
There are still many more that are waiting with approved petitions already than the 20,000 visas that will possibly be made available; so it is not going to make a dent in anything. And there have been periods of time here that no nurse was issued a visa for more than 5 years, and this has actually happened several times thru the years and not just once.
Your choice as to what you wish to believe. I stand 100% by what I have been saying all along.
- 1Jun 26, '08 by suzanne4What I find particularly odd on this thread, that there are quite a few posting here about what the US needs to do so that they can come and work here; howver, their own countries do not permit foreign trained nurses to get licensed and get work visas for there.
And as well as others trying to make the rules or regulaions of what the US should or should not be doing so that they can work here. I find that quite odd to say the very least.
The US has never had an open door policy for any profession and do not expect to ever see it in nursing or any other profession. Things have never been done that way, nor will they ever.
And if take note of the bill that is before the House, that contains the provision for the 20,000 visas for each of three years, that also includes Physical Therapists as well, not just nurses as a start; but that is only one part of the three part bill, the other two parts are specific to American nurses, training them and retaining them. So once again, anything done now, is still never going to be a never ending supply. Just is not going to happen.
And as long as the demand for visas far exceeds the number that are available per year, there is going to be a retrogression. You may see another name for it, but it is still going to be the same. A period of time when there are no visas issued for nurses. But be aware that it gets quite a few American nurses upset when they see foreign nurses demanding that a visa be created for them since they know that working in the US was their calling since they can remember. Sorry, but that does not affect most over here and actually only turns them off.
Being permitted to work in the US is a privilege, it is by no means a right if you have passed the exams and even have an employer to petition you. Not all are going to be able to get visas. and for those of you that have never had a local license or work experience as a paid RN; your chances of getting one of the coveted visas is going to get slimmer and slimmer. If one truly wishes to be a nurse, it does not matter where they practice, but that they have experience. So you may wish to look at other countries to get the actual experience of being an RN; and not working in a role that was beneath your training as that will not count as current experience either in terms of getting a job.
For those you that do not have approval on the I-140 and have the DS-230 already requested by the US government and in the stages of being processed; you do not have a chance at one of these visas that are expected to be released. Until one has a completed file, they will not be considered and the number with completed files already far exceeds this number already if you add up all from all countries.
- 3Jun 26, '08 by elkparkAlso, in addition to everything Suzanne just said, please be aware that, as a result of the 9/11 attacks and the kinds of abuses Suzanne notes (among other things), there is a lot of public opposition in the US to the idea of immigration in general these days. Whether it is good or bad, right or wrong, that's how a lot of people feel, and our elected representatives are well aware of that ... I agree with Suzanne that it's likely that the visa situation will get worse rather than better.