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  1. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
    Quote from Promin
    It's an interesting discussion here. A lot of wishful thinking from both sides. I think there are enough Americans who want to become nurses, but just like it was mentioned hundreds of times here there are not enough clinical instructors to teach them. And the reason why is because they are not paid enough. I think that retrogression will be lifted for the one simple reason - hospitals need cheap labor and they have a powerful lobby in Senate.
    I live in Central Valley, CA and I see a lot of frustration from the students who are unable to get into the nursing program here. At the same time there is a real shortage of nurses in Central Valley too. Fixing the problem requires the appropriate mechanism first of all and until such mechanism exists available spots will be covered by foreign nurses.
    Not sure why you think that it is going to be lifted. Not sure if you understand the reason for the retrogression either. It has nothing to do with the number of jobs that there are or anything like that, but the fact that the US has a limit on the number of green cards that it issues per year and the number that are wishing for one far exceedsl the number that are available per year. And the US has never had an open door policy that all that wished to come here to work could.

    And as I have mentioned above over and over again, we have had periods in the US and too long ago where there were no nurses that came to the US with even a temporary work visa for a period of five years.

    There are still more graduates in some areas in CA than there are jobs available for them to even start off with. The issue is that there is a limited number of new grad positions as well. Not sure where you are in the Central Valley, but do not think that things are as bad as you are imagining.

    And yes, I have lived and worked there.
  2. Visit  space woman profile page
    Quote from elkpark
    There are plenty of published statistics about how many hundreds of thousands of US applicants are turned away from US nursing schools each year because the existing schools aren't able to accommodate all the people who want to become nurses. There are plenty of people in the US who are "interested with the job."
    Doesnt sound like any country gets it quite right. I was trainned in Engalnd, no education fees and i got given 6000 pounds a year for being there. Sounds good, BUT there is always a BUT, no nursing jobs being releaced in my town as the hospitals are too in dept. Im not ungreatful for my free ride but why does the goverment pay nurses to do thier trainning when the hospials are so short of money??

    Needdless to say I no longer live in the UK!!
  3. Visit  Promin profile page
    Quote from suzanne4
    There are still more graduates in some areas in CA than there are jobs available for them to even start off with. The issue is that there is a limited number of new grad positions as well. Not sure where you are in the Central Valley, but do not think that things are as bad as you are imagining.

    And yes, I have lived and worked there.
    First of all I'm not imagining, this is the reality. Second, if hospitals lobby for more schedule A visas that means they need those workers. The reason they need them is because they cost less. This is capitalism. Welcome to America!
    Last edit by Promin on Jun 12, '08
  4. Visit  TravelingBSNRN profile page
    Quote from jano
    Hi Suzanne,

    Hope is free, miracles do happen!
    I totally agree! To all foreign nurses wishing to become a US nurse, don't let anyone in this forum or anybody at that matter discourage you to follow your dream. It may take you 5 years, 10 years or 20 years to be able to come here because of the backlog but do not ever lose hope.

    America's doors will always be open to foreign nurses. Not for the moment but probably in the near future. For the meantime, you can apply to other countries. There is a nursing shortage in other countries as well. Get more exprience until such time visas for the US will be available again.

    Again, don't let anybody take your dream away from you! Good luck to all foreign nurses.
  5. Visit  bebotwaiting profile page
    Its not a question of who is willing or interested who's caring enough or who is better in the nursing. These reasons are misleading. Its how one is willing enough to be a part of the nursing till they retire. Lets face, how many percentage of the foreign born and U.S. born ended up serving and retired as nurses their whole life. Who among us are willing to sacrifice so much for their career? This is the question which we want to impose on those who think they are better because they care more or they are better... etc...
    Its about service with humility.
  6. Visit  elajsh profile page
    Quote from icedragon
    Wow, that's good news for 60,000 Philippine RNs who can go to the USA soon!

    How sarcastic! youre not even from the Phi
  7. Visit  sofia_815 profile page
    Quote from bebotwaiting
    Its not a question of who is willing or interested who's caring enough or who is better in the nursing. These reasons are misleading. Its how one is willing enough to be a part of the nursing till they retire. Lets face, how many percentage of the foreign born and U.S. born ended up serving and retired as nurses their whole life. Who among us are willing to sacrifice so much for their career? This is the question which we want to impose on those who think they are better because they care more or they are better... etc...
    Its about service with humility.
    Exactly..
  8. Visit  space woman profile page
    Quote from TravellingBSN-RN
    I totally agree! To all foreign nurses wishing to become a US nurse, don't let anyone in this forum or anybody at that matter discourage you to follow your dream. It may take you 5 years, 10 years or 20 years to be able to come here because of the backlog but do not ever lose hope.

    America's doors will always be open to foreign nurses. Not for the moment but probably in the near future. For the meantime, you can apply to other countries. There is a nursing shortage in other countries as well. Get more exprience until such time visas for the US will be available again.

    Again, don't let anybody take your dream away from you! Good luck to all foreign nurses.

    I like your attitude, you will go far in life im sure, you probably already have!! :spin:
  9. Visit  sofia_815 profile page
    Yes, many are interested to study Nursing and be a nurse whether American or other foreign hopefuls--They are attracted with the pay and the benefits.The question is, how many of these people would last in the Nursing field or work full time in the hospital??..
    Last edit by sofia_815 on Jun 13, '08
  10. Visit  Nurse!Nurse!Hello? profile page
    Quote from bebotwaiting
    Its not a question of who is willing or interested who's caring enough or who is better in the nursing. These reasons are misleading. Its how one is willing enough to be a part of the nursing till they retire. Lets face, how many percentage of the foreign born and U.S. born ended up serving and retired as nurses their whole life. Who among us are willing to sacrifice so much for their career? This is the question which we want to impose on those who think they are better because they care more or they are better... etc...
    Its about service with humility.
    But it's not about "service with humility."
    It's not about "a willingness to sacrifice so much" for a career.
    Good intentions alone do not make a good nurse.

    The days of Florence Nightengale following two steps behind the doctors is long over. Modern nursing is a highly technical field that requires quality education and clinical preparation to perform at a competent level. Nurses who graduate from good nursing schools have attained a level of expertise that will enable them to think critically, to make clinical assessments, and to make independent decisions. They are able to communicate with confidence, regardless of whether they are talking to a patient's family or the head of the hospital.

    If I am hospitalized, or in a nursing home, or at a doctor's appointment, it really doesn't matter to me whether the nurse who is taking care of me plans to be a nurse until she retires. It doesn't matter how much they have sacrificed, or whether they are humble. I want a nurse who will notice a subtle change in my condition, and knows what to do about it. I want a nurse who knows her stuff!
  11. Visit  sofia_815 profile page
    Quote from TravellingBSN-RN
    I totally agree! To all foreign nurses wishing to become a US nurse, don't let anyone in this forum or anybody at that matter discourage you to follow your dream. It may take you 5 years, 10 years or 20 years to be able to come here because of the backlog but do not ever lose hope.

    America's doors will always be open to foreign nurses. Not for the moment but probably in the near future. For the meantime, you can apply to other countries. There is a nursing shortage in other countries as well. Get more exprience until such time visas for the US will be available again.

    Again, don't let anybody take your dream away from you! Good luck to all foreign nurses.
    Thanks dude, God Bless you...You're one of a kind American nurse..
  12. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
    Things have changed from what they were in the past, and the chances of someone getting to the US are getting slimmer, not increasing.

    Add in the number of students that are enrolled in nursing schools in the Philippines now, quite an increase of probably ten fold from what it was in the past and it is going to be impossible for all to get to the US. Again, why is the US expected to take everyone that wishes to work here when your country will not even let a foreign nurse get licensed there as well.

    Things need to be fixed there, and since the job outlook is becoming more dismal there and we are expecting the US to require work experience as a screening tool for them, how is someone going to get work experience when they do not even wish to get a local license and actually get experience someplace.

    This thread has run its course and since there is nothing new on the horizon for the next few months at the minimum it is being closed.
    There is no relief for the retrogression as it is going to be in place for sometime. The US has never had an open door policy, and never will. And the number of applicants far exceeds the number of visas.

    There is no reason to give someone hope when the chances are getting slimmer and not going to be better. And I have been working in this field for probably more years than many of you havew been on this planet, so lets be realistic with who is actually working in nursing and trying to make a difference.

    Of the past posts in the day or two, not one has had any suggestions or recommendations, but just jibes at the moderators here and others for presenting what is actually going on, not what you think is happening. And this is not going to be tolerated here. If we did not care, we would not even take the time to be posting here, when I could be sleeping.

    And funny thing is that many of you still contact me for my help and I offer it.

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