Fastest state to apply for NCLEX - page 4

Hi guys I need your help. Before, i planned to submit my application to California (I even asked you if you have extra Fingerprinting card) for my NCLEX but after viewing some of the posts here, I... Read More

  1. by   Mike28770
    ohhh gosh, let's be careful with such harsh legal terms (fraud). filling up a form and answering it correctly/honestly to the best of your ability does not constitute fraud. an example of fraud would be claiming your pet turtle named henry as a dependant on your income taxes in an attempt to fraud the government out of taxes due. hehe.

    below are copies from the cgfns ces handbook for paragraph 13 of the ces application, dealing with the registration/license. it is not fraud to answer (see item 13 d) with the truth: to wit - the nle was taken but the license has not been issued by the regulatory authority and is pending in the philippine courts. if anyone cares to read the handbook in its entirety it can be found here --

    http://www.cgfns.com/pdf/apps/ces%20handbook%20web.pdf
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]quote
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]item 13. registration/license
    [font=minionpro-regular]a. please list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=minionpro-regular]b. list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a current registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=minionpro-regular]c. indicate whether your registration/license has ever been revoked, suspended or restricted. be sure to answer this question for all
    [font=minionpro-regular]registration/licenses that you hold now and have held in the past.
    [font=minionpro-regular]d.check the appropriate box if you are not currently registered/licensed and explain.
    [font=minionpro-regular]failure to answer the questions in item 13 will result in a delay.[font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]

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    [font=myriadpro-semiboldit]please provide the following information.
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]a. [font=myriadpro-regular]list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]b. [font=myriadpro-regular]list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a [font=myriadpro-semibold]current [font=myriadpro-regular]registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]c. [font=myriadpro-regular]have any of your registrations/licenses ever been revoked, suspended or restricted for any reason?
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]yes [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]no if "yes", please attach an explanation to your application.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]d. [font=myriadpro-regular]if you are not currently registered/licensed, please indicate and explain.
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]not currently registered/licensed [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]never registered/licensed
    [font=myriadpro-regular]explanation: __________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
    [color=white][font=myriadpro-bold]13 [font=myriadpro-bold]registration/license
    [font=myriadpro-cond]forward a copy of "[font=myriadpro-semiboldcondit]request for validation of registration/license form[font=myriadpro-cond]" to the authority where you were initially registered/licensed and to all authority(ies) where you are currently registered/licensed outside of the u.s.[font=myriadpro-semiboldit]
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    by the way, what i think cgfns is most interested in is the case where a license has been revoked and/or suspended (and why).

    [font='times new roman']well, anyway, here we are again, just trying to demystify this whole process, which i find is best done by educating oneself in the subject and then applying the acquired knowledge to remove barriers to success, ever remembering that faith overcomes fear...[quote=lawrence01]if your talking about the june 2006; applicants who took the june 2006 need to disclose that they took it and they cannot say that results are pending because technically there is a result already but no license can be verified. by saying that results are pending would mean possible fraud since it's well known in the world already that there is a result and a list of the passers are published in the prc website and other local newspaper's website. the popular local review centers, likewise, publish the students names on their website that took their review w/ them and passed.

    this is just fyi. :wink2:[/quote]
  2. by   nurse_plush
    Quote from lawrence01
    If your talking about the June 2006; applicants who took the June 2006 need to disclose that they took it and they cannot say that results are pending because technically there is a result already but no license can be verified. By saying that results are pending would mean possible fraud since it's well known in the world already that there is a result and a list of the passers are published in the PRC website and other local newspaper's website. The popular local review centers, likewise, publish the students names on their website that took their review w/ them and passed.

    This is just FYI. :wink2:
    the licences too are already being processed, those who registered early, like in manila got their licenses right away and went abroad to pursue their careers. gud for them, other will still have to wait. the only thing holding the licenses is the TRO, once it expires then the licenses will most likely be given for those whose names are already registered. The PRC is never up for a retake, the only one making such a huge fuss over this issue is that one school (no offense to that school) filed a case for it since their passing is low for them and maybe if there wud be a retake then they can redeem themselves...
  3. by   lawrence01
    Quote from nurse_plush
    the licences too are already being processed, those who registered early, like in manila got their licenses right away and went abroad to pursue their careers. gud for them, other will still have to wait. the only thing holding the licenses is the TRO, once it expires then the licenses will most likely be given for those whose names are already registered. The PRC is never up for a retake, the only one making such a huge fuss over this issue is that one school (no offense to that school) filed a case for it since their passing is low for them and maybe if there wud be a retake then they can redeem themselves...
    Well.. if they're already abroad then they are surely using the tourist visa and w/ retrogression looming in plus the 60-90 day rule before a lawyer can file a petition plus the lag in finding an employer to petition for them and no visa screen certificate yet either (because this will take a few months to complete - even if ICHP will honor the licenses) I would say majority of them will be back home.

    Before the NLE issue there are already employers that scrutinize Filipinos regarding honoring contracts and w/ the advent of this current issue more employers will have 2nd thoughts on petitioning someone. Sure, some are still willing but w/ extreme scrutiny and some may end up w/ bad agencies/employers and with bad contracts because of their desperation.

    I'm not scaring anyone. Just stating facts. Hope no one takes this badly. :wink2:
  4. by   lawrence01
    [QUOTE=Mike28770]Ohhh Gosh, let's be careful with such harsh legal terms (FRAUD). Filling up a form and answering it correctly/honestly to the best of your ability does not constitute fraud. An example of fraud would be claiming your pet turtle named Henry as a dependant on your income taxes in an attempt to FRAUD the government out of taxes due. Hehe.

    [SIZE=3]Below are copies from the cgfns CES Handbook for paragraph 13 of the CES Application, dealing with the Registration/License. It is NOT FRAUD to answer (see item 13 d) with THE TRUTH: to wit - the NLE was taken but the license has not been issued by the regulatory authority and is pending in the Philippine Courts. If anyone cares to read the handbook in its entirety it can be found here --

    Sorry, but you must have misunderstood me. Nothing wrong w/ aswering w/ the best of your abilities and as truthfully as you can but applicants also have the responsibility to answer as accurate as we can too. I just replied base on what you said: "Took NLE but results still pending". Technically there are results since there were passers and non-passers.

    If we will be stating "Took NLE and passed but awaiting license pending court rulings" then definitely no problems. It will then be up to the diff. State BON/BRNs to decide what to do next.
  5. by   lawrence01
    Regarding the question whether or not CGFNS/ICHP (Certification/CES/VSC) will have problems regarding the non-issuance of the license affected by the TRO I think it would be best to e-mail them or better yet call them up before submitting anything. This will save you the time, effort and the fees if they will answer what you don't want to hear. If they say no problems, then no problems.
  6. by   rn4ever?
    If we are only discussing about "fast processing", I have heard so many times that NM and VT BON process things quickly. But, if you would be working in CA, then you'd also need to apply for Licensure By Endorsement eventually. I am not sure if the endorsement process in CA is quick---because if it is not, then it defeats the purpose of applying to get your initial license in another State---because you'd have to wait for a long time too to get your license endorsed.
    Quote from pinkbaby
    I am aiming to be licensed in CA. However, since it takes too long to get ATT, is it wise to apply to New Mexico, then endorse to California after, assuming I pass the NCLEX?
  7. by   Mike28770
    Well, all I can say for sure is they (CGFNS) don't take phone calls and email is limited to 500 characters and then only during their business hours M-F 9 to 4:30 East Coast time except friday 4pm coz their computer needs to rest then. The result of sending them email was a terse reply to apply for the CES and see what happens. Which is what I have been suggesting for some days now...
  8. by   bonsai_25
    Hello everyone,

    I just want to share the questions that you have to answer if you apply Licensure by examination in New Mexico that pertains to any license or exam.

    1. Have you at any other time applied for or held a RN/LPN license in NM?

    2. DSICIPLINARY: The following questions require a Yes or No answer:

    a. Has disciplinary action ever been taken against your nursing license?
    if yes: denied, revoked, suspended, probation, reprimand, others

    b. Is disciplinary action pending against a nursing license in another state?

    c. Have you ever been charged with or convicted of a felony whether or not sentence was imposed or suspended?

    I answered NO to all the disciplinary questions. I don't think I am committing any fraud haha. I answered it honestly since we don't have any licenses yet. and I don't think the TRO is considered as disciplinary action especially if its against the passers as a group. Anyway I asked the board about it and they said that NO should be the answer since technically I don't have a license yet and whats happening right now is not considered a disciplinary thing.

    Regarding the VIsa screen or any CGFNS application, of course I have to wait for my license before I apply that. Anyway there is a retrogression, I am in no hurry to apply that. Just want to take my Nclex soon.

    Good day. :P
  9. by   suzanne4
    Quote from caringnursenj
    if we are only discussing about "fast processing", i have heard so many times that nm and vt bon process things quickly. but, if you would be working in ca, then you'd also need to apply for licensure by endorsement eventually. i am not sure if the endorsement process in ca is quick---because if it is not, then it defeats the purpose of applying to get your initial license in another state---because you'd have to wait for a long time too to get your license endorsed.
    california will endorse in one day, if they have verification on file form the originating state, or that state participates in nursys. ca will issue you a temporary license, they cannot issue you a permanent one until you give them a ssn#.

    wanting to work in ca is about the only time that i recommend pursuing a license in another state first, especially since you will need to wait about one month to get your nclex results.
  10. by   suzanne4
    Quote from mike28770
    ohhh gosh, let's be careful with such harsh legal terms (fraud). filling up a form and answering it correctly/honestly to the best of your ability does not constitute fraud. an example of fraud would be claiming your pet turtle named henry as a dependant on your income taxes in an attempt to fraud the government out of taxes due. hehe.

    below are copies from the cgfns ces handbook for paragraph 13 of the ces application, dealing with the registration/license. it is not fraud to answer (see item 13 d) with the truth: to wit - the nle was taken but the license has not been issued by the regulatory authority and is pending in the philippine courts. if anyone cares to read the handbook in its entirety it can be found here --

    http://www.cgfns.com/pdf/apps/ces%20handbook%20web.pdf

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]quote
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]item 13. registration/license
    [font=minionpro-regular]a. please list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=minionpro-regular]b. list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a current registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=minionpro-regular]c. indicate whether your registration/license has ever been revoked, suspended or restricted. be sure to answer this question for all
    [font=minionpro-regular]registration/licenses that you hold now and have held in the past.
    [font=minionpro-regular]d.check the appropriate box if you are not currently registered/licensed and explain.
    [font=minionpro-regular]failure to answer the questions in item 13 will result in a delay.

    -------------------------------------------------------

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldit]please provide the following information.
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]a. [font=myriadpro-regular]list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]b. [font=myriadpro-regular]list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a [font=myriadpro-semibold]current [font=myriadpro-regular]registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]c. [font=myriadpro-regular]have any of your registrations/licenses ever been revoked, suspended or restricted for any reason?
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]yes [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]no if "yes", please attach an explanation to your application.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]d. [font=myriadpro-regular]if you are not currently registered/licensed, please indicate and explain.
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]not currently registered/licensed [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]never registered/licensed
    [font=myriadpro-regular]explanation: __________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
    [color=white][font=myriadpro-bold]13 [font=myriadpro-bold]registration/license
    [font=myriadpro-cond]forward a copy of "[font=myriadpro-semiboldcondit]request for validation of registration/license form[font=myriadpro-cond]" to the authority where you were initially registered/licensed and to all authority(ies) where you are currently registered/licensed outside of the u.s.
    unquote


    by the way, what i think cgfns is most interested in is the case where a license has been revoked and/or suspended (and why).

    well, anyway, here we are again, just trying to demystify this whole process, which i find is best done by educating oneself in the subject and then applying the acquired knowledge to remove barriers to success, ever remembering that faith overcomes fear...[quote=lawrence01]if your talking about the june 2006; applicants who took the june 2006 need to disclose that they took it and they cannot say that results are pending because technically there is a result already but no license can be verified. by saying that results are pending would mean possible fraud since it's well known in the world already that there is a result and a list of the passers are published in the prc website and other local newspaper's website. the popular local review centers, likewise, publish the students names on their website that took their review w/ them and passed.

    this is just fyi. :wink2:
    [/quote]

    fraud is also committed when leaving off jkey information from your application, such as that you wrote the exam in june. that would be considered fraud and that is what i am talking about. anything about giving false information on one of these applications constitutes fraud in the eyes of us immigration.

    such as you leave it off the application being submitted now, but on the visa screen application it is listed, that is fraud. and is grounds for being denied.

    passing of the nclex-rn exam or the cgfns exam does not give you the automatic right to live and work in the us. they are just the screening tools.
  11. by   lawrence01
    Quote from Mike28770
    Well, all I can say for sure is they (CGFNS) don't take phone calls and email is limited to 500 characters and then only during their business hours M-F 9 to 4:30 East Coast time except friday 4pm coz their computer needs to rest then. The result of sending them email was a terse reply to apply for the CES and see what happens. Which is what I have been suggesting for some days now...
    Unfortunately, the only way to know for sure is to contact them and nothing else. CGFNS usually reply via email in 2 weeks or so. Another way would be to apply and see what happens but what's the rush ? Retrogression will be coming in by Nov. so lot's of time to do things properly.

    Just my humble opinion.
  12. by   augigi
    Re this thread, I wonder if it's worth adding a sticky thread with approximate times to receive authorisation to sit NCLEX from different states. I know this varies by applicant, but there must be a generalised time that is usual?
  13. by   suzanne4
    Unfortunately, it varies widely. Depends on how quickly that the school sends in the transcripts, and when the file gets completed.

    The bigggest issue is how long that CGFNS takes to do the CES, as most states will do nothing without that.

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